Good idea....yes, Tigger's gums and paw pads were so light-colored. Topaz is negative and I look at her pads and gums and think how nice it is to not have that worry. I'm grateful. I miss my Tigger-babe so much!!
-----Original Message----- From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 12:47 AM To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 33, Issue 5 Ardy.... I find that if I do anything that puts pressure on the gums ( like trying to get a look when the cats are fighting it) it forces blood away from the gums and I can't get a good read.... I wonder if the same wouldn't be true of a Kitty biting on a pen??..... Though... with my Yogi... his gums are so white I don't know that they would get any pink in them with or withOUT pressure....... I try to get a look when they are sleeping and can usually can a fair look before they start " arguing" : ) On Fri, Jan 06, 2017 at 12:02 AM, [email protected] wrote: > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: FW: Greetings & Bogey's Doc Visit (Ardy Robertson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 23:02:38 -0600 > From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Greetings & > Bogey's Doc Visit > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi Sherri, > > Hi ? I recently wanted to look at my Topaz? gums because she has black > spots in her mouth and I was concerned. She just would not let me in > there for anything??UNTIL, I realized she likes to bite on pens! So I > can hold a pen crossways, and she bites it, thus opening her mouth. I > can see in there very well, and the vet says there is nothing wrong ? > she just has that color pigmentation in her mouth. But I could have > easily held the pen with one hand and snapped a picture with my phone > in the other hand. > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf > Of Sherri Godschalk > Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 8:24 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Greetings & Bogey's Doc Visit > > > I was leaning that way Amani and you just cemented it for me. I am > just going to dump that powder down the middle the best I can and give > her half AM and half PM. I think I will do the same with the Pred > (split the pill). 5mg at once seems like a lot for this little cat. > (6lb 5oz). She may feel better having it that way anyway. > > I have to say, I have trouble getting Bogey to take that Doxy. It must > really taste bad. I am going to try to crush it and put it in ice > cream or yogurt this time around. I also feel that the dose she is on > for that is high. 25mg twice a day. They cut the pills poorly the > first time around and the ?parts? were smaller. When they refilled, > they had the 100mg cut in actual quarters and she took ill shortly > after we started her back on it in December. > > My hope is that Bogey will be able to come off the meds for some > periods like your Zander did. I thought I was getting better at > noticing pinkness in gums and nose but clearly I haven?t mastered that > yet. I looked at her gums today and they looked awfully pink compared > to 4 months ago. I tried to get her to sit still while I took a pic of > them for reference?gonna have to get another pair of hands for that > kind of photography. :-) > > We are about 4.5 months into this treatment. I hope that by restarting > the regiment of meds, with some changes, her numbers will come up to > where they were in December. I think we were really making progress. > > > Yea I don?t understand the ?icteric? either. Just gonna accept that > something looked off to the tech and trust the results. (and you) > > > Your Zander?was a lucky little boy to have you! > > > From: Felvtalk > on behalf of Amani Oakley > > Reply-To: > > Date: Thursday, January 5, 2017 at 8:47 PM > To: "[email protected] " > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Greetings & Bogey's Doc Visit > > > I would suggest 1 mg 2x a day then, Sherri. I had Zander on 2 mg 2x a > day but only right at the start for a month or so to ?kickstart? the > process because his haematocrit was soooo low. I think the usually > recommended dose for Winstrol for cats is 1 mg twice a day. I gave > Zander his pills all at once ? prednisone, Winstrol and Doxycycline. I > suspect that the problems you encountered are far more likely to be > related to the higher Winstrol dose than the staggering of the > medication. > > Now that you have clarified the dosing for Bogey, I think that the > problem was the high dosing of the Stanazolol. I think if you drop it > by half, and keep everything else the same, you might get a better > response. Frankly, though, it is the very fact that the numbers tumble > every time the meds are pulled, that convinces me that it is > definitely the meds that are making such a significant difference in > the levels. I really found, with Zander, that it took more than 10 > months before the numbers would ?stick? ? ie ? when I discontinued the > meds, that the numbers wouldn?t start to immediately decline, and I > was testing him weekly. I could always see an immediate reaction in > the blood work, if I pulled him off the Winstrol. > > > With Zander, after the 10 month period, I was able to wean him down, > but that probably took another 6 months or more. Thereafter, I watched > him like a hawk, and any time I saw his gums or ears fading in colour > (and I got pretty good at seeing it, as you might imagine) I would put > him back on the meds for a 6-8 week course, and that tended to > straighten him back up again. > > > I don?t know what to make of the description of icteric, because, like > I said, the only way serum would become icteric is from an elevated > bilirubin count, and the bilirubin was completely normal. However, > even if the tech mixed up the description, that doesn?t mean the lab > results are mixed up. The latest results are awfully close to the > results from before December, so I wouldn?t assume they belong to > another cat. Determining if a sample is icteric simply requires the > tech to hold up the tube and look at the colour of the serum. It is > possible she wrote down icteric on this sample, but it was another > sample which was icteric. I am fairly confident that the serum was not > icteric, though. > > > Amani > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf > Of Sherri Godschalk > Sent: January-05-17 8:43 PM > To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Greetings > & Bogey's Doc Visit > > > Hi Amani. Thanks for writing. Bogey actually was taking 2mg of the > Stanazolol once a day. (one capsule) Is that what your Zander was > taking? Doc said I could try every other day, or try 1mg twice a day > if she starts to become ill again. I think it is going to be a real > balancing act here. In that 22 days since she was hospitalized, she > only had 7 dozes of Stanazolol and 8 of Doxy. I am going to try to > space them out some on a daily basis. Not give her any medication > within 3 hours of taking another. Did you give your baby meds all in > one sitting (both the steroids)? She is to be on the Doxy for 10 days > and recheck around that time. I am watching her food intake more > carefully. If she starts to slow down eating like she did when her > liver problems started last month, maybe I can catch it before it is a > crisis and give her a break from them briefly. > > > I wouldn?t have guessed that her numbers were so bad. I was actually > taken aback when he showed them to me. She is eating so well. Has > gained almost a pound in the last month. Active. I thought she was > doing a lot better than she was as far as test results go. I was glad > to see her platelets were not bottomed out like they were in the past. > > > Amani, did you ever get to the point with Zander that he wasn?t on > constant medicine? Was he able to sustain pretty good numbers for any > period of time without the medication? > > > I had to look up the word ?icteric? that she had written on the > results. Bogey?s stool and urine have no issues at this moment as far > as color. Nor does her skin. That surprised me too. In all honesty, > after I left there I thought ?did they get my results mixed up with > someone else's?? > > Thanks, > > Sherri > > > From: Felvtalk > on behalf of Amani Oakley > > Reply-To: > > Date: Thursday, January 5, 2017 at 7:27 PM > To: "[email protected] " > > Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Greetings & Bogey's Doc Visit > > > Hi Sherri > > > As you?ve said, the good news is that the liver enzymes are dropping > down. The bad news is the anemia is back. I think if it were me, I > would probably go back to the 1mg a day dose of Stanazolol, along with > the ? tablet of doxy twice a day and the 5 mg of Prednisolone. I agree > you could try halving the prednisolone and giving ? tablet, twice a > day, but I am not sure that is very significant. > > > My other concern is that the lymphocytes have jumped up quite a bit as > well, which is not a good thing since that is usually the result of > the FeLV virus load. I also see a significant drop in the platelets. > With my cat, I found that each time I took him off the Stanazolol, I > would get a nose-dive of the red cells/haematocrit/hemoglobin as is > apparent in Bogey?s most recent blood results. That is why I ended up > deciding to ignore the high liver enzymes. However, I did not have a > situation as you described, with Bogey feeling very unwell with the > high liver enzymes. Zander really didn?t exhibit much in the way of > changes when his liver enzymes increased, but I sure saw a difference > when he wasn?t on the Winstrol, so I opted to keep him on the Winstrol > and ignore the liver enzymes. Obviously for you, you will have to see > how Bogey does both on and off the medication and play it by ear. > > > (By the way, I don?t think the tech was right about the icteric blood. > The total bilirubin was only 1.4 so I don?t see how it is possible for > the serum to be icteric.) > > Amani > > > > (Sorry ? 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