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Today's Topics:
1. Re: FW: FeLV talk still active (Ardy Robertson)
2. New FELV mom (Sheri Burbridge)
3. YAY 4 HOPE (Jennifer Olson)
4. Re: New FELV mom (Amani Oakley)
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Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2017 22:14:02 -0500
From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FeLV talk still
active
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So sorry for what you are dealing with Bob??that is one thing the
members here do get ? how important our babies are to us. I sincerely
hope and pray the meds work for Jelly.
Ardy
From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of Amani Oakley
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 4:24 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: FeLV talk still active
Here is the exchange I have had with Bob.
Bob, I hope it is okay to post for you, since your emails haven?t gone
through.
Amani
From: ROBERT CHAPEL [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: April-03-17
5:19 PM
To: Amani Oakley
Subject: RE: FeLV talk still active
No word from the moderator and no mail from the list... this is REALLY
strange and happening at a really bad time...
I am SO damn heartbroken I don't have words... Jelly is MY Zander...
a very special companion much more like a dog. My shadow whenever I
was home... I am going to miss him SO damn much and I don't want him
to suffer even a day.... But... I don't want to just put him down
while he has a little quality of life..
Won't take up any more time.... I'm going to write to some of the
other list members and see if they have been active....
Bob
On Sat, Apr 01, 2017 at 10:03 PM, Amani Oakley wrote:
Robert
I am incredibly and deeply upset and saddened by your news. Do try the
Doxy and Winstrol to see if there might be some change. With that high
white cell count, there is some sort of a bacterial infection going
on, as I mentioned in my last email. The Doxy is often effective when
other antibiotics don?t work.
I haven?t received any postings from the FeLV group. I find it odd
that it would just stop functioning. Have you tried writing to the
moderator to see if there is some sort of problem?
Amani
From: ROBERT CHAPEL [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: April-01-17
1:31 PM
To: Amani Oakley
Subject: FeLV talk still active
Sorry to interrupt you Amani but I've written a few times to the FeLV
list and not seen my mail appear nor have I gotten anything from the
list in many days.... Have you? Do you know if it's still active.
My remaining cat ( and very special one) is definitely on his way out
and I really liked having the support of the group during these times
( most of my friends are " understanding " but don't really "get" how
important a pet is to some of us..... I don't think I have much time
left with him... 186000 WBC, a tumor near his lungs and he's not
eating at all ( I have him on Pred, and Mirtazapine and when I pick
him back up from the shelter today I'll start him on Doxy, and
winstrol just in case it might help a bit.... HCT dropped from 42 to
20 in the past 5 weeks but don't have a reticulocyte reading as I only
had 1000.00 to devote to the guy this month and the Xrays and other
exams ate this up rapidly..... Honestly.... if it is a lymphoma and
he doesn't start eating on his own I don't think he'll last much
longer.. his breathing is being affected as well...
BTW.... not asking for you to get involved... just wanted to tell
SOMEONE who gets it....
Bob
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Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2017 17:28:54 +0000
From: Sheri Burbridge To: [email protected]
Subject: [Felvtalk] New FELV mom
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Hi everyone! I just joined your board today but I have been reading
some of
your posts since last week.
About 2 months ago we adopted our first FELV cat Violet. 2 weeks later
we
also adopted her brother Mo. They are amazing, sweet, affectionate
cats and
we love them so much!
Vi is eating every thing in sight, healthy, happy and very playful but
poor
Mo has really struggled. He lost an eye at 4 months old and is only
5.5lbs.
He had a respiratory infection and teeth pulled before he came home
with
us. The rescue told us they didn't think he had long to live but
wanted him
to have a home if we would take him.
Fast forward 6 weeks and he's been back to their vet twice for tooth
roots
and non healing gums and to ours when he was obviously in terrible
pain
while eating. She found sores on his palate and ran bloodwork to check
for
anemia. I got the bad news last Thurs that he is severely anemic and
there
is nothing we can do beyond what we were doing (clavamox, prednisone,
buprenorphine) and I was devastated... until I finally came across
your
archives in an exhaustive search on Friday.
First, thank you all for sharing, we would have no hope for sweet Mo
if it
weren't for you. I talked to his vet Sat who hadn't heard of using
Winstrol. She agreed to at least switch him to Doxy and research it. I
was
shocked Yesterday to get a call from her saying she would prescribe it
for
me!!
Luckily, she was having the Doxy compound into a liquid for me and
after
calling all over, that pharmacy was able to order the Stanozolol. I
was
able to add the steroid to our Doxy/Pred that we were already doing.
I just wanted to ask everyone what their experience has been with
this. I
know some saw great results, others, not so much. Today Mo was very
lethargic and wouldn't eat in the AM but when I came home at lunch he
ate
quite a bit (for him).
His number was 10 last week (I'm not sure if that's just rbc's or not)
so I
hope I was able to get him the meds in time.
Thank you again for the info, it's the only thing that has given me
hope to
save Mo!
Sheri
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Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2017 12:34:33 -0500
From: Jennifer Olson To: [email protected]
Subject: [Felvtalk] YAY 4 HOPE
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Mo & Vi & you are in my prayers!
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2017 17:55:49 +0000
From: Amani Oakley To: "[email protected]" Subject: Re:
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Hi Sheri
As you have seen and referenced, some people have had good results
with the Winstrol/Doxy combination, while others have not. In my
opinion, it is at least worth a shot given the very limited
alternatives out there. Good that you have a baseline reading on the
blood results ? this will allow you to know if he is moving the right
direction on the meds.
10 is a haematocrit value, not the RBCs. 10 is low but my cat (Zander)
had dropped down to 5, and I was able to pull him out of the abyss ?
first with a blood transfusion and then with the Winstrol. When I
started the Winstrol, it was after his 2nd blood transfusion, which
wasn?t doing more than giving a temporary fix. He had gone up to a 16
haematocrit after the 2nd transfusion, but they had had to stop midway
through the second bag of blood because he had had a transfusion
reaction and they told me that that was it for being able to give him
any more transfusions. I had watched for two months as his haematocrit
dropped steadily down from 16 to 10, despite trying all sorts of other
options like Interferon and LTCI.
I started him on the Winstrol (he was already on Doxy and Prednisone)
and within a few days, I noticed a pinkening of his ears and gums, and
his weekly blood work showed his haematocrit had gone up to 12. From
there, it rose steadily in ones and twos until it finally got back
into the normal reference range, as did his platelets and white cells,
but it took almost 10 months of treatment and every time I tried to
wean him off the Winstrol, his haematocrit and red cells would fall
again.
I suggest you try the meds, (consider adding prednisone or
prednisolone as well), and keep a close eye on his haematology
results. Ask for them to run a reticulocyte count with the haematology
panel. This should tell you if he is producing new red cells or not.
Again, with Zander, his reticulocyte count was basically zero when I
started the Winstrol, but it went up almost immediately.
I also found the need to give Zander 1/5 tablet of apometoclompromide
to get the food to go down. I understand that the virus will often
affect the GI tract, including thickening of the intestinal walls,
causing food and stool moves very slowly through the GI tract, thus
adding to the cat?s malaise, and reduced appetite. Also, this slow
down allows more problems to develop in the intestinal walls (with the
stool sitting in one spot for a long time). The apometoclopromide
increases peristaltic action in the GI tract, pushing food down
faster. I found this really helped Zander, since he was also vomiting
all the time (including after I would spend an hour getting him to eat
or syringe feeding him baby food). The apometoclopromide is given a
little bit before feeding, and it worked like a charm. Once I started
giving it to him, the vomiting stopped and stool started coming out of
him normally.
Sadly, however, the meds haven?t worked for everyone. It could be how
advanced the condition is before the meds are started, and there is
also information online that they have identified a number of strains
of the FeLV virus. I suspect that this might also account for the fact
that some of us see a great improvement in our cats, while others
don?t. I?m crossing my fingers for you and I am very happy that you
have a supportive vet. That is often the first big problem, so
thankfully, this isn?t an issue you must also deal with.
Amani
From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of Sheri Burbridge
Sent: April-05-17 1:29 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Felvtalk] New FELV mom
Hi everyone! I just joined your board today but I have been reading
some of your posts since last week.
About 2 months ago we adopted our first FELV cat Violet. 2 weeks later
we also adopted her brother Mo. They are amazing, sweet, affectionate
cats and we love them so much!
Vi is eating every thing in sight, healthy, happy and very playful but
poor Mo has really struggled. He lost an eye at 4 months old and is
only 5.5lbs. He had a respiratory infection and teeth pulled before he
came home with us. The rescue told us they didn't think he had long to
live but wanted him to have a home if we would take him.
Fast forward 6 weeks and he's been back to their vet twice for tooth
roots and non healing gums and to ours when he was obviously in
terrible pain while eating. She found sores on his palate and ran
bloodwork to check for anemia. I got the bad news last Thurs that he
is severely anemic and there is nothing we can do beyond what we were
doing (clavamox, prednisone, buprenorphine) and I was devastated...
until I finally came across your archives in an exhaustive search on
Friday.
First, thank you all for sharing, we would have no hope for sweet Mo
if it weren't for you. I talked to his vet Sat who hadn't heard of
using Winstrol. She agreed to at least switch him to Doxy and research
it. I was shocked Yesterday to get a call from her saying she would
prescribe it for me!!
Luckily, she was having the Doxy compound into a liquid for me and
after calling all over, that pharmacy was able to order the
Stanozolol. I was able to add the steroid to our Doxy/Pred that we
were already doing.
I just wanted to ask everyone what their experience has been with
this. I know some saw great results, others, not so much. Today Mo was
very lethargic and wouldn't eat in the AM but when I came home at
lunch he ate quite a bit (for him).
His number was 10 last week (I'm not sure if that's just rbc's or not)
so I hope I was able to get him the meds in time.
Thank you again for the info, it's the only thing that has given me
hope to save Mo!
Sheri
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