Bob, it's encouraging to hear that Jelly is having bright spots among the low points. I hope that he is progressing today and eating a bit more for you.
The mouth sores are common for these guys I guess, it just compounds an already difficult time for them. The pain meds seem to help a bit but then they also make them tired so it's hard to tell real symptoms from side effects. Cats are a hard bunch to impress, keep passing on our love to him:) Sheri On Sat, Apr 8, 2017, 11:53 PM ROBERT CHAPEL <[email protected]> wrote: > Sheri... > You make a good point... I'd need someones help to visualize the inside > of his mouth( any time I open his mouth or mess with his gums he > interprets it as nasty medicine coming his way or being " forced" to > take in nutrition... I know the vet I took him to did not check his > mouth.... I can't speak about the vet that the shelter took him to for > the original incorrect Dx( He certainly SHOULD have checked his mouth as > the presenting complaint was that he was not eating... but can't say for > sure. I'm inclined to think that this is not the limiting factor as > he doesn't really even show an interest in food and the food that is > made available to him right now is VERY easy on his mouth ( ie.. does > not require any substantive chewing) That said... I will keep this in > the forfront of my brain as something to pay more attention to..... > I'm in a race against time with this little guy as he is losing weight > rather quickly( which can be the virus alone... but his failure to take > in adequate calories is exacerbating the situation...... Today his > high spots were even higher but his low times were even lower ( if that > makes any sense)... eg... He ate a little and was more sociable for a > brief while but when he was over that he really wanted to be left > alone.... I don't force him to do anything he doesn't want to do save > for brooking NO opposition when it comes to taking his Winstrol Doxy and > Pred and at least 30 CC of Baby Food and additional fluids if he is not > drinking much ( like today)... I'm going to try to get him some SubQ > fluids over at the shelter tomorrow... He's slowing down on his > drinking. > I tell Jelly how everyone is rooting for him : ) Strangely he does > not appear moved by this news : ) > > Bob > > > On Sat, Apr 08, 2017 at 04:44 PM, [email protected] > wrote: > > > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > > [email protected] > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > [email protected] > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > [email protected] > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. PRAISE JESUS ! (Jennifer Olson) > > 2. Re: Jelly.. (Sheri Burbridge) > > 3. Re: Jelly.. ([email protected]) > > 4. Re: Jelly.. (Amani Oakley) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2017 17:14:52 -0500 > > From: Jennifer Olson To: [email protected] > > Subject: [Felvtalk] PRAISE JESUS ! > > Message-ID: > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > SO happy to hear you've had some ups again- praying he's stable long > > enough > > for the meds to work their miracles for Jelly! > > Jen > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2017 23:07:47 +0000 > > From: Sheri Burbridge To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Jelly.. > > Message-ID: > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Bob, I am right there with you trying not to get my hopes up when > > things go > > well for awhile but I'm SO happy that you had those good moments with > > Jelly > > today! I love how much you love your animals, I'm the same, mine are > > all my > > kids, I have a real soft spot for special needs animals. > > > > I thought I'd ask since I'm dealing with this with Mo, have you > > checked > > Jelly's mouth for sores? Mo has a bunch on his palate that the vet > > compared > > to canker sores and said it makes swallowing painful. I've been giving > > Mo > > tiny syringes of Buprenorphine 2-3 times a day to help him eat. I just > > thought I'd throw it out there in case Jelly could be helped with > > something > > like that too? > > > > I hope you both are having a good evening and I'm willing the meds to > > work > > for Jelly from here! > > > > Sheri > > > > On Fri, Apr 7, 2017, 5:05 PM ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: > > > >> Thank you all for your support and suggestions... It is a comfort to > >> me > >> that I have a group of folks that I KNOW get the attachment that we > >> can > >> develop to an animal... and when we have a truly special one ( ALL to > >> me > >> are special..thats the baseline... it just goes up from there : ) > >> it is that much more painful.... > >> I was ecstatic this AM when Jelly seemed to truly enjoy his grooming > >> and > >> pushed him little head INto the brush..then fell on his side inviting > >> me > >> to brush his sides and back....after that he actually ate a little > >> bit > >> of baby food off a plate.... I had to leave for a few hours and I was > >> hoping against hope that when I returned he would have finished the > >> rest > >> of the baby food I left on the plate.... I don't know which bothers > >> me > >> more...getting my hopes up to have them dashed hours later or just > >> never > >> getting my hopes up?... When I returned home he was quite lethargic > >> and > >> had not touched any of the food... His gurgling ( which had abated > >> considerably for several hours( maybe the Winstrol IS helping this > >> Amani? ) was back and getting meds and a little food into him was a > >> challenge again..... Still... he DID improve for a few hours which " > >> may " be a good sign...or..no sign at all... Every day I decide > >> to...than decide against putting him down about 40 times... But.. > >> I'm a > >> little better this time around with my ability to recognize Kitty > >> discomfort and not rush to end a life that still HAS some life > >> left... > >> As to foods he loves ( referencing Jennifers comments).... I'm > >> actually > >> rather gingerly "force" feeding him his favorite food which always > >> was > >> turkey baby food.... Squirting a bit into the gum pouch opposite > >> the > >> side I place the syringe so that it does/t just go down his > >> throat.... > >> Once it's in his mouth he generally swallows it... I leave plates > >> of > >> anything and everthing he ever liked in numerous places throughout > >> the > >> day so that he never has to go far to take a " bite " if he is > >> inclined..... and Sheri... I can assure you that this little guy is > >> not > >> wanting for affection.... any time that he is willing to stay near > >> me > >> he IS near me ( but that was always the way it was... I am literally > >> unable to be in the presence of an animal without having a hand on > >> some > >> part of it's body.... Moreso my own pets but really quite the same > >> with > >> any animal any WHERE... I've been that way since I was a > >> youngster..... > >> I'm the guy who would be VERY conflicted between saving the guy I > >> don't know or his dog if their boat flipped in frigid seas ( with at > >> least a 60% likelihood it would be the dog)..... So.... thank you > >> all > >> for your support and particularly for the love and care you provide > >> the > >> little creatures that so many others overlook... > >> > >> Bob > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Apr 07, 2017 at 04:55 AM, [email protected] > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > >>> [email protected] > >>> > >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > >>> > >>> > >>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > >>> > >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > >>> [email protected] > >>> > >>> You can reach the person managing the list at > >>> [email protected] > >>> > >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > >>> than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > >>> > >>> > >>> Today's Topics: > >>> > >>> 1. Re: Syringe Feeding (ROBERT CHAPEL) > >>> 2. Re: Syringe Feeding (Amani Oakley) > >>> 3. So much to lose (Jennifer Olson) > >>> 4. Re: Vi, Mo ... and Jelly's decline and force feeding > >>> (Sheri Burbridge) > >>> > >>> > >>>>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Felvtalk mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> > >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > >> > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2017 20:23:45 -0500 > > From: To: [email protected] > > Cc: ROBERT CHAPEL Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Jelly.. > > Message-ID: <20170407212345.D1HMX.30447.root@pamxwww09-z01> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > > Been there and done that. You don't know which way to go, afraid if > > you do euthanize him orher it will be a wrong decision and yet you do > > not want them to suffer I would rather suffer great pain my self. > > Right now, Annie is recovering from an upper respiratory infection and > > since she is positive, it has me worried. I asked my vet about > > Winstrol and Doxy and she is willing to try it. Thank you Lord. She > > is eating, drinking and although she has lost a little weight, seems > > to be doing well. Main thing now is she goes about the house meaowing > > all the time. driving me nuts. She wants me to eight sit with her or > > go to b ed so she can lay on my chest. I don't know she will do when > > I go in hospital for a valve repalacement, will be gone for a week. > > When I went in 4 days for broken arm, they all sat on me, grabbed hold > > with ther claws as though trying to force me to stay home. They are > > just recovering from that. Annie is quiet now, sitting on desk in > > front of me. Hope your baby gets well, will keep you both in my > > prayers. > > > > ---- ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: > >> Thank you all for your support and suggestions...? It is a comfort to > >> me > > that I have a group of folks that I KNOW get the attachment that we > > can develop to an animal... and when we have a truly special one ( ALL > > to me are special..thats the baseline... it just goes up from there : > > )?????? it is that much more painful.... > > I was ecstatic this AM when Jelly seemed to truly enjoy his grooming > > and pushed him little head INto the brush..then fell on his side > > inviting me to brush his sides and back....after that he actually ate > > a little bit of baby food off a plate.... I had to leave for a few > > hours and I was hoping against hope that when I returned he would have > > finished the rest of the baby food I left on the plate.... ? I don't > > know which bothers me more...getting my hopes up to have them dashed > > hours later or just never getting my hopes up?...? When I returned > > home he was quite lethargic and had not touched any of? the food... ? > > His gurgling ( which had abated considerably for several hours( maybe > > the Winstrol IS helping this Amani? ) was back and getting meds and a > > little food into him was a challenge again.....? Still... he DID > > improve for a few hours which " may " be a good sign...or..no sign at > > all...? Every day I decide to...than decide against putting him down > > about 40 times...? But.. I'm a little better this time around with my > > ability to recognize Kitty discomfort and not rush to end a life that > > still HAS some life left... > > As to foods he loves ( referencing Jennifers comments)....? I'm > > actually rather gingerly "force" feeding him his favorite food which > > always was turkey baby food.... ? Squirting a bit into the gum pouch > > opposite the side I place the syringe so that it does/t just go down > > his throat.... ? Once it's in his mouth he generally swallows it... ? > > I leave plates of anything and everthing he ever liked in numerous > > places throughout the day so that he never has to go far to take a " > > bite " if he is inclined..... and Sheri... I can assure you that this > > little guy is not wanting for affection....? any time that he is > > willing to stay near me he IS near me ( but that was always the way it > > was...? I am literally unable to be in the presence of an animal > > without having a hand on some part of it's body.... Moreso my own pets > > but really quite the same with any animal any WHERE... I've been that > > way since I was a youngster..... ?? I'm the guy who would be VERY > > conflicted between saving the guy I don't know or his dog if their > > boat flipped in frigid seas ( with at least a 60% likelihood it would > > be the dog)..... ? So.... thank you all for your support and > > particularly for the love and care you provide the little creatures > > that so many others overlook... > > > > Bob? > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 07, 2017 at 04:55 AM, [email protected] > > wrote: > > > >> Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > >> [email protected] > >> > >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > >> > >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > >> > >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > >> [email protected] > >> > >> You can reach the person managing the list at > >> [email protected] > >> > >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > >> than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > >> > >> > >> Today's Topics: > >> > >> 1. Re: Syringe Feeding (ROBERT CHAPEL) > >> 2. Re: Syringe Feeding (Amani Oakley) > >> 3. So much to lose (Jennifer Olson) > >> 4. Re: Vi, Mo ... and Jelly's decline and force feeding > >> (Sheri Burbridge) > >> > >> > >>>> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2017 20:43:59 +0000 > > From: Amani Oakley To: "[email protected]" Subject: Re: > > [Felvtalk] Jelly.. > > Message-ID: > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Bob, I am thrilled you have seen a bit of improvement, though I get > > your cautiousness as well. It could be something, it could be nothing, > > but any improvement lifts the spirits a bit. Also, based on the lab > > results I saw, it will take a long while to correct the abnormalities > > there, so anticipate a long slow battle. Hopefully, you continue to > > see bright-spots, and that those bright-spots increase in frequency > > and duration. > > > > Keep up the patient, kind work for little Jelly. > > > > Amani > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf > > Of ROBERT CHAPEL > > Sent: April-07-17 5:05 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Cc: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Jelly.. > > > > Thank you all for your support and suggestions...? It is a comfort to > > me that I have a group of folks that I KNOW get the attachment that we > > can develop to an animal... and when we have a truly special one ( ALL > > to me are special..thats the baseline... it just goes up from there : > > ) it is that much more painful.... > > I was ecstatic this AM when Jelly seemed to truly enjoy his grooming > > and pushed him little head INto the brush..then fell on his side > > inviting me to brush his sides and back....after that he actually ate > > a little bit of baby food off a plate.... I had to leave for a few > > hours and I was hoping against hope that when I returned he would have > > finished the rest of the baby food I left on the plate.... ? I don't > > know which bothers me more...getting my hopes up to have them dashed > > hours later or just never getting my hopes up?...? When I returned > > home he was quite lethargic and had not touched any of? the food... ? > > His gurgling ( which had abated considerably for several hours( maybe > > the Winstrol IS helping this Amani? ) was back and getting meds and a > > little food into him was a challenge again.....? Still... he DID > > improve for a few hours which " may " be a good sign...or..no sign at > > all...? Every day I decide to...than decide against putting him down > > about 40 times...? But.. I'm a little better this time around with my > > ability to recognize Kitty discomfort and not rush to end a life that > > still HAS some life left... > > As to foods he loves ( referencing Jennifers comments)....? I'm > > actually rather gingerly "force" feeding him his favorite food which > > always was turkey baby food.... ? Squirting a bit into the gum pouch > > opposite the side I place the syringe so that it does/t just go down > > his throat.... Once it's in his mouth he generally swallows it... ? I > > leave plates of anything and everthing he ever liked in numerous > > places throughout the day so that he never has to go far to take a " > > bite " if he is inclined..... and Sheri... I can assure you that this > > little guy is not wanting for affection....? any time that he is > > willing to stay near me he IS near me ( but that was always the way it > > was...? I am literally unable to be in the presence of an animal > > without having a hand on some part of it's body.... Moreso my own pets > > but really quite the same with any animal any WHERE... I've been that > > way since I was a youngster..... ?? I'm the guy who would be VERY > > conflicted between saving the guy I don't know or his dog if their > > boat flipped in frigid seas ( with at least a 60% likelihood it would > > be the dog)..... ? So.... thank you all for your support and > > particularly for the love and care you provide the little creatures > > that so many others overlook... > > > > Bob? > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 07, 2017 at 04:55 AM, [email protected] > > wrote: > > > >> Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > >> [email protected] > >> > >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > >> > >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > >> > >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > >> [email protected] > >> > >> You can reach the person managing the list at > >> [email protected] > >> > >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > >> than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > >> > >> > >> Today's Topics: > >> > >> 1. Re: Syringe Feeding (ROBERT CHAPEL) > >> 2. Re: Syringe Feeding (Amani Oakley) > >> 3. So much to lose (Jennifer Olson) > >> 4. Re: Vi, Mo ... and Jelly's decline and force feeding > >> (Sheri Burbridge) > >> > >> > >>>> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Subject: Digest Footer > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of Felvtalk Digest, Vol 36, Issue 14 > > **************************************** > > > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > [email protected] > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >
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