Hi Deborah

Definitely – I have heard from several people who have tried the combination 
Doxy/Winstrol/Prednisone and their cats’ blood work improved quickly, as well 
as their cats overall. I have heard from others who tried it but their cat died 
very quickly (ie – within a day or two of their posting asking for 
suggestions). Obviously, it’s impossible to tell, in those cases, whether 
trying the meds earlier may have helped or whether the meds were just 
completely ineffective. My suggestion is that if there are other things you are 
wanting to try, you can probably go ahead and try those other options, in 
addition to the Doxy/Winstrol/Prednisone combination, because I don’t think one 
thing precludes the other.

There is very little that is effective, other than Zander’s Protocol, when cats 
are showing severe anemia and the reduction of other cell lines (platelets and 
white cells), so I don’t think that there’s an awful lot to choose from.

I must tell you though, that I have had very good success using Winstrol in 
many other circumstances with my cats. I think cats respond well to steroids 
generally, and my vet told me that once upon a time (20-30 years ago), they 
used to hand out Winstrol “like candy” for almost any cat ailment which 
involved loss of appetite, general malaise, etc. That stopped around the time 
of the Ben Johnson Olympic scandal (1988 or something like that) and then 
rumours began to be heard by the vets that Winstrol may damage the liver, so 
everyone stopped using it. It is a pity, because I find it useful for many 
conditions and I don’t think vets have anything at all to replace what it can 
do for cats suffering from anemia, leukemia, etc.

Amani

From: Felvtalk <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> On Behalf Of Deborah 
Whorley
Sent: July 26, 2019 11:43 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Chablis - seeking advise about giving 
Pred/Doxy/Winstrol with low WBC

Amani - have you ever received any feedback from others who have tried your 
protocol and what their results were? Repeating labs this morning and will 
present your protocol and history to see if she will let us try.

Thanks,
Deb

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Hi Deborah

The CBC results are unusual. There is some anemia going on, and there is the 
low white cell count. There is also an elevated monocyte count.

Most people are aware that white cells go up with an infection, but they can 
also go quite low with an infection ? often if there is a focal area of 
inflammation/infection and white cells are moving out of the circulatory system 
to go to the site of infection in the tissues. My worry is that there ma be a 
source of infection somewhere. Monocytes can be elevated with a chronic 
infection as well.

If it were my cat, I think I might ask the vets to give more in the way of 
antibiotics, with a broad enough spectrum to cover Gram positive and Gram 
negative organisms. I think I might insist on using Doxycycline along with 
another antibiotic, because the Doxycycline also has an effect on some more 
unusual organisms like some parasites and some viruses even. I think I would 
also try the Winstrol if it were me. Winstrol has an excellent enhancing effect 
on appetite, and may also help with the anemia. I myself wouldn?t be that 
worried about the prednisone/prednisolone but it probably wouldn?t hurt to hold 
off on that one and see if you get some improvement on the Doxycycline/Other 
Antibiotic/Winstrol combination.

Amani

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 On Behalf Of Deborah Whorley
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Subject: [Felvtalk] Chablis - seeking advise about giving Pred/Doxy/Winstrol 
with low WBC

Hi - one of my FeLV+ cats, Chablis (F, 5 yrs), has been dealing with 
constipation since Jan of this year. Last week she stopped eating like she does 
when she is ?backed up? but 100 cc SQ fluids didn?t resolve the issue as it 
normally does. She also started wheezing Sat eve.  I ended up with her in the 
emergency clinic on Sun and to my surprise her CBC was terrible (see below). 
Radiograph revealed no constipation or obvious masses in lungs/abdomen. ER vet, 
and my vet the next day, reluctant to give pred due to low WBC. Treating 
dehydration and inappetance with SQ fluids and mertazapine. ER vet also gave 
Convenia "just in case?. Going back on Fri to my vet for another CBC. Have been 
following this group for several years and want to try Amani?s treatment 
protocol, but does low WBC contraindicate giving prepnisolone and/or Winstrol? 
Thanks in advance for any advise. - Deb

CBC (21Jul2019)
NOTE: they did not repeat the analysis which, in hindsight, I should have 
insisted upon

Test    Result            Flag    Normal Range          Measure
RBC    5.11     L                 5.65 8.87                  M/?L
HCT    24.4    L                  37.3 61.7                       %
HGB    7.8                  L                  13.1 20.5                       
g/dL
MCV   47.7    L                   61.6 73.5                      fL
MCH   15.3    L                   21.2 25.9                      pg
MCHC             32.0                         32.0 37.9                  g/dL
RDW  23.6    H                  13.6 21.7                      %
%RETIC         0.2                                                              
                    %
RETIC            8.7                  L                   10.0 110.0            
    K/?L

WBC   * 2.39                      5.05 16.76                K/?L
%NEU            * 32.6                                                          
       %
%LYM            * 36.8                                                          
       %
%MONO * 28.5                                                                    
    %
%EOS             * 0.4                                                          
          %
%BASO          * 1.7                                                            
        %
NEU    --.--                             2.95 11.64             K/?L
BAND             * Suspected
LYM    * 0.88                     1.05 5.10                K/?L
MONO            * 0.68                     0.16 
1.12<x-apple-data-detectors://9>                   K/?L
EOS     * 0.01                     0.06 1.23                   K/?L
BASO  * 0.04                     0.00 0.10                   K/?L
nRBC  * Suspected
PLT                 * 182                      148 484          K/?L
MPV   17.6    H                 8.7 13.2                      fL
PDW   --.--                             9.1 19.4                             fL
PCT     0.32                            0.14 0.46               %
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