On Mon, 06 Oct 2014 12:53:00 +0100
"Garth N. Wells" <[email protected]> wrote:

> 
> 
> On Mon, 6 Oct, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Jan Blechta 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Mon, 06 Oct 2014 11:53:58 +0100
> > "Garth N. Wells" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > 
> >>  On Mon, 6 Oct, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Martin Sandve Alnæs
> >>  <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>  > All collective destructors must be managed explicitly in python,
> >>  > preferably via with statement. Are there any apart from file
> >>  > objects? Vectors? Matrices? Meshes?
> >>  >
> >> 
> >>  Off the top of my head I can't think of any cases, apart from IO,
> >> in which a (collective) MPI call needs to be made inside a
> >> destructor. For IO, we could insist on a user closing or flushing
> >> a file explicitly. We cannot guarantee that 3rd party linear
> >> algebra backends do not call MPI when objects are destroyed.
> > 
> > VecDestroy and MatDestroy (called by PESTcVector and PETScBaseMatrix
> > destructors) are claimed to be collective by PETSc doc:
> > http://www.mcs.anl.gov/petsc/petsc-current/docs/manualpages/Vec/VecDestroy.html
> > http://www.mcs.anl.gov/petsc/petsc-current/docs/manualpages/Mat/MatDestroy.html
> 
> Yes, they are collective but don't necessarily make MPI calls. My 
> understanding is that 'collective' is not the issue but whether or
> not MPI calls are made from a destructor. Some functions will only
> make sense  if called collectively (e.g., VecDestroy), but might not
> make collective MPI calls.

In an ususal sense, collectivity imlies a communication, see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_operation.

I think that, collective PESTc routine employs MPI collective operation
(in the case that MPI implementation of Vec/Mat is used). What you are
speaking about is "logically collective" routine, e.g.
http://www.mcs.anl.gov/petsc/petsc-current/docs/manualpages/Mat/MatSetOption.html

Can you confirm, Jed, whether we are correct?

Jan

> 
> For the tests, assuming PyTest permits a 'setup' function like 
> unittest, would it help if MPI is initialised explicitly in the setup 
> function and closed down at the end of a test suite (if possible with 
> PyTest)?
> 
> Garth
> 
> 
> > 
> > Jan
> > 
> >> 
> >>  We have had this problem in the past with the 'automatic'
> >>  finalisation of MPI, which is a problem if MPI is shutdown before
> >>  PETSc.
> >> 
> >>  Garth
> >> 
> >> 
> >>  > 6. okt. 2014 12:18 skrev "Jan Blechta" 
> >> <[email protected]>
> >>  > følgende:
> >>  >> On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 12:07:02 +0200
> >>  >> Martin Sandve Alnæs <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>  >>
> >>  >> > The problem is that gc is nondeterministic and in particular 
> >> not
> >>  >> > running with equal timing and ordering on each mpi process.
> >>  >> >
> >>  >> > We can't use the with statement to handle the scope of every
> >>  >> > single dolfin object in a program.
> >>  >>
> >>  >> Most of the DOLFIN destructors are not collective. So the
> >>  >> moral 
> >> is
> >>  >> that
> >>  >> we should avoid collective destructors as possible and
> >>  >> document 
> >> it
> >>  >> like
> >>  >> it is in PETSc doc.
> >>  >>
> >>  >> Jan
> >>  >>
> >>  >> >
> >>  >> > We can change all file handling to use with, and require the
> >>  >> > user
> >>  >> to
> >>  >> > use that in parallel.
> >>  >> >  6. okt. 2014 11:41 skrev "Jan Blechta"
> >>  >> <[email protected]>
> >>  >> > følgende:
> >>  >> >
> >>  >> > > On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 09:48:29 +0200
> >>  >> > > Martin Sandve Alnæs <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>  >> > >
> >>  >> > > > The 'fix' that's in the branch now was to trigger python
> >>  >> garbage
> >>  >> > > > collection (suggested by Øyvind Evju) before each test.
> >>  >> > > >
> >>  >> > > > This probably means we have a general problem in dolfin 
> >> with
> >>  >> > > > non-deterministic destruction order of objects in
> >>  >> > > > parallel. Any destructor that uses MPI represents a
> >>  >> > > > potential 
> >> deadlock.
> >>  >> > >
> >>  >> > > To understand the issue, is the problem that garbage
> >>  >> > > collection
> >>  >> does
> >>  >> > > not ensure when the object is destroyed which is the
> >>  >> > > problem?
> >>  >> > >
> >>  >> > > Here http://stackoverflow.com/a/5071376/1796717 the 
> >> distinction
> >>  >> > > between variable scoping and object cleanup is discussed.
> >>  >> Quoting it
> >>  >> > >
> >>  >> > >   Deterministic cleanup happens through the with statement.
> >>  >> > >
> >>  >> > > which might be a proper solution to the problem.
> >>  >> > >
> >>  >> > > Jan
> >>  >> > >
> >>  >> > > >
> >>  >> > > > On 19 September 2014 12:52, Jan Blechta
> >>  >> > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>  >> > > >
> >>  >> > > > > On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 00:27:50 +0200
> >>  >> > > > > Jan Blechta <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>  >> > > > >
> >>  >> > > > > > Yes, after many trials using
> >>  >> > > > > >
> >>  >> > > > > > $ cd test/unit/io/python
> >>  >> > > > > > $ while true; do git clean -fdx && mpirun -n 3 xterm
> >>  >> > > > > > -e gdb -ex r -ex q -args python -m pytest -sv; done
> >>  >> > > > > > # when it hangs and you interrupt it, it asks for
> >>  >> > > > > > confirmation for # quitting, so you type n and enjoy
> >>  >> > > > > > gdb...
> >>  >> > > > > >
> >>  >> > > > > > I've seen a situation when 2 processes deadlocked on
> >>  >> > > > > > HDF5Interface::close_file() in DOLFIN with backtrace 
> >> like
> >>  >> > > > > >
> >>  >> > > > > > # MPI barrier
> >>  >> > > > > > ...
> >>  >> > > > > > # MPI close
> >>  >> > > > > > # HDF5 lib calls
> >>  >> > > > > > H5FClose()
> >>  >> > > > > > dolfin::HDF5Interface::close_file()
> >>  >> > > > > > dolfin::HDF5File::close()
> >>  >> > > > > > dolfin::HDF5File::~HDF5File()
> >>  >> > > > > > dolfin::HDF5File::~HDF5File()
> >>  >> > > > > > # smart ptr management
> >>  >> > > > > > # garbage collection
> >>  >> > > > > >
> >>  >> > > > > > while 3rd process is waiting far away. Isn't it
> >>  >> > > > > > strange
> >>  >> that
> >>  >> > > > > > destructor is there twice in stacktrace? (The upper
> >>  >> > > > > > one is
> >>  >> on
> >>  >> > > > > > '}' line which I don't get.) What does it mean?
> >>  >> > > > >
> >>  >> > > > > Probably just code generation artifact - nothing
> >>  >> > > > > harmful, see
> >>  >> > > > > http://stackoverflow.com/a/15244091/1796717
> >>  >> > > > >
> >>  >> > > > > Jan
> >>  >> > > > >
> >>  >> > > > > >
> >>  >> > > > > > Jan
> >>  >> > > > > >
> >>  >> > > > > >
> >>  >> > > > > > On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 16:20:51 +0200
> >>  >> > > > > > Martin Sandve Alnæs <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>  >> > > > > >
> >>  >> > > > > > > I've added the mpi fixes for temppath fixture and 
> >> fixed
> >>  >> > > > > > > some other related issues while at it: When
> >>  >> parameterizing
> >>  >> > > > > > > a test that uses a temppath fixture, there is a
> >>  >> > > > > > > need for separate directories for each parameter
> >>  >> > > > > > > combo. A further improvement would be automatic
> >>  >> > > > > > > cleaning of old tempdirs, but I leave that for now.
> >>  >> > > > > > >
> >>  >> > > > > > > I've pushed these changes to the branch
> >>  >> > > > > > > aslakbergersen/topic-change-unittest-to-pytest
> >>  >> > > > > > >
> >>  >> > > > > > > The tests still hang though, in the closing of
> >>  >> > > > > > > HDF5File.
> >>  >> > > > > > >
> >>  >> > > > > > > Here's now to debug if someone wants to give it a 
> >> shot:
> >>  >> > > > > > > Just run:
> >>  >> > > > > > >     mpirun -np 3 python -m pytest -s -v
> >>  >> > > > > > > With gdb:
> >>  >> > > > > > >     mpirun -np 3 xterm -e gdb --args python -m
> >>  >> > > > > > > pytest then enter 'r' in each of the three xterms.
> >>  >> > > > > > >
> >>  >> > > > > > > You may have to try a couple of times to get the
> >>  >> > > > > > > hanging behaviour.
> >>  >> > > > > > >
> >>  >> > > > > > > Martin
> >>  >> > > > > > >
> >>  >> > > > > > > On 18 September 2014 13:23, Martin Sandve Alnæs
> >>  >> > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>  >> > > > > > >
> >>  >> > > > > > > > Good spotting both of you, thanks.
> >>  >> > > > > > > >
> >>  >> > > > > > > > Martin
> >>  >> > > > > > > >
> >>  >> > > > > > > > On 18 September 2014 13:01, Lawrence Mitchell <
> >>  >> > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote:
> >>  >> > > > > > > >
> >>  >> > > > > > > >> On 18/09/14 11:42, Jan Blechta wrote:
> >>  >> > > > > > > >> > Some problems (when running in a clean dir)
> >>  >> > > > > > > >> > are
> >>  >> avoided
> >>  >> > > > > > > >> > using this (although incorrect) patch. There
> >>  >> > > > > > > >> > are
> >>  >> race
> >>  >> > > > > > > >> > conditions in creation of temp dir. It should
> >>  >> > > > > > > >> > be
> >>  >> done
> >>  >> > > > > > > >> > using atomic operation.
> >>  >> > > > > > > >> >
> >>  >> > > > > > > >> > Jan
> >>  >> > > > > > > >> >
> >>  >> > > > > > > >> >
> >>  >> > > > > > > >> >
> >>  >> > >
> >>  >> 
> >> ==================================================================
> >>  >> > > > > > > >> > diff --git a/test/unit/io/python/test_XDMF.py
> >>  >> > > > > > > >> > b/test/unit/io/python/test_XDMF.py index
> >>  >> > > > > > > >> > 9ad65a4..31471f1 100755 ---
> >>  >> > > > > > > >> > a/test/unit/io/python/test_XDMF.py +++
> >>  >> > > > > > > >> > b/test/unit/io/python/test_XDMF.py @@ -28,8 
> >> +28,9
> >>  >> > > > > > > >> > @@ def temppath(): filedir =
> >>  >> > > > > > > >> > os.path.dirname(os.path.abspath(__file__))
> >>  >> > > > > > > >> > basename
> >>  >> =
> >>  >> > > > > > > >> > os.path.basename(__file__).replace(".py", 
> >> "_data")
> >>  >> > > > > > > >> > temppath = os.path.join(filedir, basename, "")
> >>  >> > > > > > > >> > -    if not os.path.exists(temppath):
> >>  >> > > > > > > >> > -        os.mkdir(temppath)
> >>  >> > > > > > > >> > +    if MPI.rank(mpi_comm_world()) == 0:
> >>  >> > > > > > > >> > +        if not os.path.exists(temppath):
> >>  >> > > > > > > >> > +            os.mkdir(temppath)
> >>  >> > > > > > > >> >      return temppath
> >>  >> > > > > > > >>
> >>  >> > > > > > > >> There's still a race condition here because
> >>  >> > > > > > > >> ranks
> >>  >> other
> >>  >> > > > > > > >> than zero might try and use temppath before it's
> >>  >> > > > > > > >> created.  I think you want something like the 
> >> below:
> >>  >> > > > > > > >>
> >>  >> > > > > > > >> if MPI.rank(mpi_comm_world()) == 0:
> >>  >> > > > > > > >>     if not os.path.exists(temppath):
> >>  >> > > > > > > >>         os.mkdir(temppath)
> >>  >> > > > > > > >> MPI.barrier(mpi_comm_world())
> >>  >> > > > > > > >> return temppath
> >>  >> > > > > > > >>
> >>  >> > > > > > > >> If you're worried about the OS not creating
> >>  >> > > > > > > >> files atomically, you can always mkdir into a
> >>  >> > > > > > > >> tmp directory
> >>  >> and
> >>  >> > > > > > > >> then os.rename(tmp, temppath), since posix
> >>  >> > > > > > > >> guarantees that renames are atomic.
> >>  >> > > > > > > >>
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