Am 28.10.23 um 18:43 schrieb Ronald S. Bultje:
Hi Thilo,

On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 11:31 AM Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel <
ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org> wrote:

What this is about, is to set up a way to properly spend the SPI money
aside
from travel & hw. Why we should not do it because some companies
beurocracy, I
cannot see.


I sincerely don't think the above description is what Kieran meant when he
talked about sustainability at Demuxed, which this thread seems to be a
response to.

I am pretty sure Michael did not start this thread because of Kieran's talk, but only he can tell. His talk was just hours ago and I was not there but got that picture from his slide quickly. That I even mentioned it, was my honest interest about his connection to FFlabs - well, it just made him being angry about me now, so I don't persue that any further and for the discussion, its completely irrelevant. I should have made it more clear its more like a side note. Yes, it appears that "sustainability" used in both, the talk and the thread, has been received in a wrong way regarding to this discussion from almost anyone involved and raised the level of confusing argumentation you mention below.


I'm happy to elaborate, but I think we're talking about two completely
different things at this point. Spending SPI money is great. But Kieran
talked about *raising* donations from the very companies you (seem to?)
prefer to ignore because of their bureaucracy. If we're talking about
distinct things, we'll likely end up with distinct (and multiple) solutions.

I agree to the most extend of that. Maybe it could be worthwhile to split this discussion into both parts of it.

I ignore, or better say don't care about, companies in regard to fund development (or whatever) over SPI in the context of this discussion _IF_ they are blocked doing that because of their bureaucracy. And if they do, I am obviously happy to deal with them in a way that suits them.

-Thilo
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