On Fri, 12 Sept 2025, 00:26 Michael Niedermayer via ffmpeg-devel, < ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org> wrote:
> Hi Gyan > > On Thu, Sep 11, 2025 at 01:41:24PM +0530, Gyan Doshi via ffmpeg-devel > wrote: > > > > > > On 2025-09-11 02:22 am, Michael Niedermayer via ffmpeg-devel wrote: > > > Hi Kieran > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2025 at 06:21:56PM +0200, Kieran Kunhya via > ffmpeg-devel wrote: > > > > On Wed, 10 Sept 2025, 17:49 Michael Niedermayer via ffmpeg-devel, < > > > > ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi remi > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 09, 2025 at 07:29:02PM +0300, Rémi Denis-Courmont via > > > > > ffmpeg-devel wrote: > > > > > > Le tiistaina 9. syyskuuta 2025, 15.10.37 Itä-Euroopan kesäaika > Michael > > > > > > Niedermayer via ffmpeg-devel a écrit : > > > > > > > > 2) A legal entity with clear oversight rules that sponsors > can trust > > > > > and > > > > > > > > influence collects funding from sponsors and decides whom to > pay for > > > > > > > > what. > > > > > > > We have that: > > > > > > > "Software in the Public Interest (SPI) is a non-profit > corporation > > > > > > > registered in the state of New York founded to act as a fiscal > sponsor > > > > > for > > > > > > > organizations that develop open source software and hardware. > Our > > > > > mission > > > > > > > is to help substantial and significant open source projects by > > > > > handling > > > > > > > their non-technical administrative tasks so that they aren't > required > > > > > to > > > > > > > operate their own legal entity." > > > > > > How does that enable large sponsors to influence what gets done > with the > > > > > money? > > > > > > How does that take care of drafting and reviewing contracts? > That just > > > > > takes > > > > > > care of fiscal and admin problems. It's great that they do it at > all, > > > > > but it's > > > > > > not remotely sufficient in this context. > > > > > With souvereign tech fund we had contracts between people, STF and > SPI. > > > > > > > > > > SPI did provide for the legal, accounting and paperwork services > here. > > > > > We should in fact donate to them for doing that for us. (if we did > not yet) > > > > > > > > > SPI is not accountable to the GA. > > > Lets go down that rabbit hole. > > > > > > For this subject to make any sense, we need to have the entities > > > (GA, the community, myself, stefano) disagree. > > > > > > I have to point out, that stefano and myself just pass the community > > > decissions to SPI, so we will not disagree with the community. > > > > > > But let us for sake of this rabbit hole, assume, we all disagree. > > > > > > I say: green > > > Stefano says: red > > > The community says: blue with 90% majority > > > The GA says: black with 90% majority > > > > > > So what will SPI do ? > > > IMHO, SPI will see me and stefano disagree and consequently will check > the > > > public communication channels and see that the community in public and > > > in a verifyable way has choosen: blue > > > > What is the 'community' in this scenario? Who are the members (and who > > decides), what is the voting mechanism, who is/are the adjudicators? > > Thats another deep rabbit hole ... > > Also, its not one scenario. > > Some examples: > Has there been a governance attack? > If yes, whatever rules we have had, would have failed. > > Or where peoples systems compromised to produce these disagreements. > If so, the vote needs to be redone, after things are cleaned up. > > Or has the community split in N groups fundamentally disagreeing? > In this case really we would need to talk and bring people back together. > > Or is the disagreement maybe about a meaningless bikeshed question, in > which case maybe we can simply do without an awnser. > > So maybe the question, What is the 'community' in such a extreem case is > often > not the right question. > But technically, if this question must be awnsered, SPI has to decide in > such > an extreem case. > Quick translation from insane paranoia speak to English: Governance attack = People who don't agree with Michael. When the community disagrees with Michael like with SDR, it's the community that's wrong. Kieran > _______________________________________________ ffmpeg-devel mailing list -- ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org To unsubscribe send an email to ffmpeg-devel-le...@ffmpeg.org
