On Jan 28, 2025, at 4:14 PM, MrNice <wxcvbn2...@iol.ie> wrote:

On 28/01/2025 18:26, Carl Zwanzig wrote:
On 1/28/2025 8:18 AM, MrNice wrote:
have an audio file, with MediaInfo I get
Audio
Channel layout                           : L R Ls Rs
  > ffmpeg -v error -layouts | awk '/quad /{print $2}'
FL+FR+BL+BR
What is the correct answer?
Both.
Left, assumed to be front (L) = Front Left (FL)
Left surround/side (Ls) = Back Left (BL)
etc

(that's part way down the AudioChannelManipulation page, even farther down is a 
list of the channel names and standard layouts, also in the -layouts output)

z!

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Are you sure for good Carl?

AFAIK, LS is surround and BL is back/Rear

Please look here

https://mediaarea.net/AudioChannelLayout

They say, depending of standardization;
Left Surround = Ls = CL = SL = Ls (MediaInfo name)
Right Surround = Rs = CR = SR = Rs (MediaInfo name)
Left Rear Surround = Lrs = BL = Lsr = SL = Lb (MediaInfo name)
Right Rear Surround = Rrs = BR = Rsr = Rb (MediaInfo name)

I'm not sure I understand the question, but I believe that "back" channels are only involved if there 
are more than 5 distinct audio signals plus one low frequency signal. By way of explanation, I believe that 5 
distinct audio signals plus one low frequency signal is the configuration commonly referred to as "5.1" 
audio (front left, front right, center, side left, side right, and low frequency). I don't believe that the term 
"5.1" when used to describe an audio standard (summarized as the description of speaker locations listed 
in my previous sentence) specifies any "back' audio signals at all. If you wish to convert 5.1 audio to an 
audio format having more distinct signals or sends, then I think it is up to you to determine how you would like 
to distribute the audio signals to make use of the additional available channels. Did I say anything useful, or 
have I just confused the issue?

LL

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Thank you for your answer.

The point is that ffmpeg and MediaInfo do not output the same answer for the channels positions. Side is not Back particularly in the last century with quadrophonic.

Or the information embedded in the file is confusing or one of the two programs decipher the embedded info in a wrong way. It could be interesting to know what is effectively coded inside the file and as well how the 2 programs decipher and output that data to understand the difference.

Moreover, to get an accurate knowledge on ffmpeg, it could be interesting to copy the table https://mediaarea.net/AudioChannelLayout in the ffmpeg documentation and add one column with the corresponding ffmpeg output.

MrNice

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