Hi Kieran,

Thanks for chipping in! If I understand you correctly, you are asking if the 
advantage of FFV1/MKV doesn’t outweigh the loss of timecode data? I guess 
that’s the question now.

I’d be grateful for any informed opinions on that. 

Best regards,
Christian



> On 5. May 2025, at 12:45, Kieran O Leary <kieran.o.le...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Not sure if this is still the case, but I think most digitisation software 
> (non-DV) will just capture the starting timecode anyhow. Any discontinuities 
> on the tape itself then won’t make their way over to the actual timecode 
> track. So Ffmpeg storing the timecode of first frame for MKV as metadata can 
> be good enough (depending on context), as it will generate a new timecode 
> track for further transcodes with that initial starting timecode value if the 
> container supports those tracks. 
> 
> Best,
> 
> Kieran 
> 
> On Mon 5 May 2025 at 10:43, Christian Sievers via ffmpeg-user 
> <ffmpeg-user@ffmpeg.org <mailto:ffmpeg-user@ffmpeg.org>> wrote:
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> Thank you, this has been very helpful! So I think I have two options:
>> 
>> - Wait until Matroska fully supports timecodes, which might take a while.
>> 
>> - Or continue to use Quicktime, but with FFV1. Not as open and free, but 
>> supports timecode data. This would be a somewhat unusual way to go, I 
>> suppose.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> > On 3. May 2025, at 13:39, Jerome Martinez <jer...@mediaarea.net 
>> > <mailto:jer...@mediaarea.net>> wrote:
>> > 
>> > Le 03/05/2025 à 12:57, BloodMan a écrit :
>> >> Hello Christian,
>> >> 
>> >> OK. right.
>> >> But in general you have answer in error description: " Only audio, video, 
>> >> and subtitles are supported for Matroska." This means that timecodes was 
>> >> not supported by matroska.
>> > 
>> > Tiny correction: not (yet) supported by FFmpeg for Matroska
>> > 
>> > 
>> >> 
>> >> In RFC you have confirmation: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc9559/
>> >> "11.  Timestamps - Historically, timestamps in Matroska were mistakenly 
>> >> called timecodes."
>> >> 
>> >> So, or at least that's how I understand it, Matroska doesn't have 
>> >> timecode support, only timestamp support - which is not the same and 
>> >> apparently "doesn't convert" - or at least that's not the role of the 
>> >> encoder.
>> > 
>> > It is relatively new but there is now a support timecodes in Matroska:
>> > https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification/blob/master/cellar-codec/block_additional_mappings/smpte-st12-1-timecode.md
>> > 
>> > We are working on implementing that, we plan to send a patch to 
>> > ffmpeg-devel when it is ready.
>> > 
>> > Jérôme
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