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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Finale's Defaults (Giz Bowe)
2. Getting no messages (Crystal Premo)
3. Re: Getting no messages (Chuck Israels)
4. Re: Getting no messages (Jon Delfin)
5. Re: Getting no messages (Philip Aker)
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7. Re: Getting no messages (David H. Bailey)
8. Re: slightly ot: turkish and russian not displaying
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 16:13:27 -0400
To: "Fisher, Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
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From: Giz Bowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale's Defaults
At 04:20 PM 4/30/02, Fisher, Allen wrote:
>Please remember that Coda does not officially monitor this list, in general
>all feature requests should be sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm simply doing some research on the specific
>issue of Finale's defaults and would welcome your input.
I'm not sure if this is the best way to make these suggestions, but here
they are nonetheless:
1) I'd like to have more field options in File Info, and they should be
capable of being user-defined. For example, I'd like to have fields called
"Album" and "Artist." I realize I can do this manually with the Text Tool,
but having this under File Info would make it easier to incorporate these
into my own templates.
2) I'd like to see a permanent way of configuring names under Part
Extraction/Generate names. I don't want the %n option for naming parts, but
EVERY time I extract parts, I must fiddle with this. It would be nice if
one's choices here stuck with the saved template.
Thank you.
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Message: 2
From: "Crystal Premo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 22:18:11 -0400
Subject: [Finale] Getting no messages
I've seen traffic on this list dip drastically on the weekend, but it has
been two days since I've seen anything at all. Did something happen?
Anyway, does anyone have practical experience with using Hyperscribe to
input music intended for playback? I do not think this is the way to do it,
but I have been posed this question: if a superior pianist plays a good
piano arrangement of a Broadway tune using Hyperscribe, will a) Finale
record all the fine nuances of his performance and 2)there be a useful file
for printing out? I say not, that there would be too much cleaning up to do
for the file to be useful. I suppose I could just try this, bring in a good
pianist and try it out, but I think it is a waste of money and time. What
say you?
Crystal Premo
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 19:33:49 -0700
To: "Crystal Premo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Chuck Israels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Finale] Getting no messages
At 10:18 PM -0400 5/5/02, Crystal Premo wrote:
>I've seen traffic on this list dip drastically on the weekend, but
>it has been two days since I've seen anything at all. Did something
>happen?
>
>Anyway, does anyone have practical experience with using Hyperscribe
>to input music intended for playback? I do not think this is the
>way to do it, but I have been posed this question: if a superior
>pianist plays a good piano arrangement of a Broadway tune using
>Hyperscribe, will a) Finale record all the fine nuances of his
>performance and 2)there be a useful file for printing out? I say
>not, that there would be too much cleaning up to do for the file to
>be useful. I suppose I could just try this, bring in a good pianist
>and try it out, but I think it is a waste of money and time. What
>say you?
>
>Crystal Premo
>
Dear Crystal,
I too, have wondered where everyone has gone, and I was beginning to
think that something had happened. Nevertheless, your message got
through to me.
About Hyperscribe, my sense is that it would be far, far, more
trouble than step time speedy entry with a midi keyboard. Others may
have another opinion.
Chuck
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 23:01:35 -0400
From: Jon Delfin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [Finale] Getting no messages
Crystal Premo wrote:
> I've seen traffic on this list dip drastically on the weekend, but it has
> been two days since I've seen anything at all. Did something happen?
>
> Anyway, does anyone have practical experience with using Hyperscribe to
> input music intended for playback? I do not think this is the way to do
it,
> but I have been posed this question: if a superior pianist plays a good
> piano arrangement of a Broadway tune using Hyperscribe, will a) Finale
> record all the fine nuances of his performance and 2)there be a useful
file
> for printing out? I say not, that there would be too much cleaning up to
do
> for the file to be useful. I suppose I could just try this, bring in a
good
> pianist and try it out, but I think it is a waste of money and time. What
> say you?
I have a friend who does tons more copy work than I do. I asked him once if
I
could hire him for an hour or two to coach me in the use of Hyperscribe. He
told
me he never uses it. And yes, he's a "superior pianist."
Jon
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 20:15:30 -0700
From: Philip Aker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Finale] Getting no messages
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On Sunday, May 5, 2002, at 07:18 PM, Crystal Premo wrote:
> Anyway, does anyone have practical experience with using
> Hyperscribe to input music intended for playback? I do not
> think this is the way to do it, but I have been posed this
> question: if a superior pianist plays a good piano arrangement
> of a Broadway tune using Hyperscribe, will a) Finale record all
> the fine nuances of his performance
Yes. But she will have to have mastered Finale's quantization
settings to get anything approaching a clean score. If that
happy situation arrives, look into the Auto-Dynamics plugin by
Tim Wright to get some expressions into the score.
> and 2)there be a useful file for printing out? I say not, that
> there would be too much cleaning up to do for the file to be
> useful. I suppose I could just try this, bring in a good
> pianist and try it out, but I think it is a waste of money and
> time. What say you?
In spite of recent improvements to HyperScribe, I still think
most flexible way to capture a live recording in Finale is to
use the Transcription Window. It allows for multiple passes and
permits altering the measure and beat indicators before
transcribing.
Once again though, it requires thorough familiarity with the tools used.
If you do really want to retain every nuance of the original
Midi recording and have it look beautiful in print, Finale can
do it. There's absolutely no doubt about that.
Philip Aker
http://www.aker.ca
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Message: 6
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Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 00:06:34 EDT
Subject: Re: [Finale] Getting no messages
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Crystal,
I've not seen a case where a complex midi piano performance can be easily
converted to notation. There are just too many notation conventions that
need to be edited in for it to be any kind of a time savings. Arpeggiations
will be written as note tied to note for the duration of the passage as
opposed to notes with ties to a chord, or with a pedal indication, and the
list goes on. I'd suggest downloading some midi files from the web if you
want to do some tests, maybe with some piano pieces from the classical midi
archive or some of the broadway midi sites.
I have seen people work well with Hyperscribe, though I don't use it myself.
But they are use to how it works and what they do isn't a performance of the
piece. They are working staff by staff, and layer by layer when necessary,
rather than inputting both staves at once.
Vince
www.invinceable.com
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 05:53:06 -0400
From: "David H. Bailey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Crystal Premo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Finale] Getting no messages
If you want a perfect playback AND normal notation in Finale, you should
seriously consider using a sequencing program such as Cakewalk or
MasterTracks or PowerTracks to record the midi performance, then import
this midi file into Finale and neaten it up to show as notation. Then
when you playback you can leave the PlaybackSetting/PlaybackOptions
PlayRecorded... boxes checked. That plays back all the recorded midi
data, ignoring the notation.
There is a lot of neatening up necessary for using hyperscribe or the
midi-transcription tool to enter notation. It can be very frustrating
and will take an awful lot of experimentation with quantization settings.
My advice would be to try it but be prepared for a lot of frustration
and prepare the pianist ahead of time, so he/she doesn't think you are
simply a fool who has no idea what she is doing.
And think seriously about using a sequencer rather than Finale. Then
you have the original midi file to use for playback while also being
able to neaten things up in Finale for proper printout.
Good luck!
Crystal Premo wrote:
> I've seen traffic on this list dip drastically on the weekend, but it
> has been two days since I've seen anything at all. Did something happen?
>
> Anyway, does anyone have practical experience with using Hyperscribe to
> input music intended for playback? I do not think this is the way to do
> it, but I have been posed this question: if a superior pianist plays a
> good piano arrangement of a Broadway tune using Hyperscribe, will a)
> Finale record all the fine nuances of his performance and 2)there be a
> useful file for printing out? I say not, that there would be too much
> cleaning up to do for the file to be useful. I suppose I could just try
> this, bring in a good pianist and try it out, but I think it is a waste
> of money and time. What say you?
>
> Crystal Premo
>
>
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 15:53:41 +0200
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (shirling & neueweise)
Subject: Re: [Finale] slightly ot: turkish and russian not displaying
properly
>From: "Mike Cholewa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>use TGTools -> Miscellaneous -> Character set conversion
yes did the trick.
>From: John Croft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>check the Mac OS CD for a Turkish layout
okay i installed russian and eastern euro linguas so i can now type
with these, but the problem is that the file will pass back and forth
[mac-pc] several times. so essentially i will have to convert the
text each time we transfer the doc, is that correct? grr.
jef
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