At 9:08 AM -0400 9/18/02, David W. Fenton wrote:
>On 17 Sep 2002 at 19:34, Thomas Schaller wrote:
>>  first of all - about the problem of having screwed up your original lyrics:
>>  I'm afraid that those lyrics are no good anymore - depending on how much you
>>  changed in the copied section you might be able to re-change everything, but
>>  it most likely is way too time-consuming and the outcome is questionable at
>>  best - sorry.
>
>I assume you mean only the lyrics for the staff that I'd edited.
>
>I've deleted and re-entered, and the incorrect hyphens are still
>there.
>
>In any event, this is unacceptable -- it means data in the database
>has been corrupted by a legal editing operation in a fashion that is
>not reversable. That means the database engine is not reliable.


Yes, we knew that already. It used to be WAY worse, believe me. The 
question is, how to avoid running into the problem.

The endless hyphen comes most likely from a first syllable that has 
been separated from its second. If you find that syllable, then you 
can "un-assign" it, that is, undo its assignment to that note without 
deleting it from the "list" of lyrics. You go to Adjust Lyrics, click 
on the note with the errant syllable, then select the handle for the 
lyric (not the note, you have two handles, select the bottom one!) 
and press Delete. If you delete the syllable in any other way except 
this (or Mass Mover>Clear Items>Lyrics) then you will lose the 
syllable in the Edit Lyrics window.

To avoid this problem in the future, never delete or copy a portion 
of music that splits a hyphenated word. It's a pain, I know, but the 
consequences are much worse than the infraction.

To save your work, I suggest the Mass Mover Clear Items to undo all 
lyric assignments. Then go to the Edit Lyrics window and restore the 
order of words in the first verse the way you like it. Then, by using 
Copy and Paste, create a second verse inside the same edit window. 
Click-assign this new copy to the second verse, which you will be 
able to change as you like without affecting the first verse. (You 
know about opt-click, right? This assigns ALL the syllables in the 
edit window to the notes automatically, from the first note you click 
until it encounters an empty measure or runs out of lyrics. Very 
cool. You can shift right or left using Shift Lyrics if a passage 
gets mis-aligned.)



>
>I don't see the issue at all. Everything that is copied should create
>the appropriate new records in the database, rather than creating new
>records for some things and links to existing records for others.

What it used to do when copying music with lyrics is create a new 
verse, which meant that in every succeeding verse that you copied the 
lyrics got lower and lower below the music. I wish it would simply 
copy the lyrics automatically in the SAME verse, instead of 
mirroring, as you said. You are right, it IS counter-intuitive. You 
should bug Coda about it, stressing the fact that you are far from 
being a newbie yet you had problems using it, and that this is the 
kind of thing that keeps away casual users.
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