John Poole [Finale Discussion] wrote:
I will be publishing new music (using Finale) for piano ensemble (duet and 2 piano 8 hands). Thus the question of who should turn the pages arises.
We're considering have a mark or notation for page turns as appropriate to a particular part (Primo or Secondo). Often the delegation of who turns a page needs to be agreed upon ahead of time, and this practice is fine when the players are working on the piece and decisions can be made ahead of time. However, for just sight-reading which ends up being how 8 hand music is played in most cases, I think it would be helpful to provide a cue to either the Primo or Secondo player that the suggested responsibility of the page turn lies with a particular part. Accordingly, I plan to have something below the last measure on a page indicating the page turn has been assigned to that part. Right now, the term "Turn" could be used, but using English seems to stick out like a sore thumb.
I've read that in instances where page turns are needed for solo players to warn them that a quick page turn is necessary in order to keep up with the group, the appropriate marking is "v.s." for volti subito (Italian).
There's also a reference to an early edition of "tournez" (French) marking where a rapid page turn is needed to keep up with a live performance.
Does anyone have any suggestions for a German term?
There will obviously be instances where alacrity is not needed, nonetheless I'd like to have a symbol on one of the players part for assigning the task. It seems using "v.s." in general would be inappropriate when speed is not needed.
I suppose I could create a symbol which users of my editions would come to learn, but that would be a last resort.
Does anyone have suggestions or opinions on the matter?
Purely from a pencil-scribble performance perspective, I use:
'v.s.' ONLY at the very end of a page, to remind oneself there's something to rush for
'time' as the opposite, to remind oneself to not rush
'turn' when, for example, there's no space to turn at the end of the page, so the final staves are duplicated somehow (normally photocopy) after the turn
'wait' when there's a big chunk of rests over the page, and turning during them would upset the oboe solo (or whatever).
My general advice - don't feel that there's anything wrong with using English to give specific instructions. Mahler almost entirely abandoned Italian, and that still gives amateur orchestras problems.
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