Man, do I ever agree with the latest post here. I am unalterably opposed to any notational problems which inhibit the learning process. If one wishes to stall out a church choir rehearsal, throw in a liberal dose of crossed voices on one staff; switch the position of the text placement; use two or three verses worth of text for the same music, except change the durations slightly to fit the new textual demands; go back and forth between open and closed score; and oh yes, render the text in some arcane language ...say, Latin. Just plan to have a seat and start answering questions. You may have noticed that I retired from my particular trench only yesterday!

Dean


On Dec 20, 2004, at 3:52 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Absolutely agree. I think hymnbook style is appropriate for (mostly) homophonic music. But I see music where the Sops and Altos have quite different rhythms and lines, (sometimes even with a lot of the Sops crossing below the Altos), and it's notated in one staff. It's hard to sightread, and takes up rehearsal time.

----- Original Message -----
From: John Howell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, December 20, 2004 1:18 pm
Subject: Re: [Finale] The state of the art: a report from the trenches

At 10:27 AM -1000 12/20/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There is also a fair amount of scoring SATB as SA and TB where it
really ought to be split into 4 staves. *sigh*

Well, that's hymnbook style as opposed to choral score style. I use both, as appropriate. Specifically, when I'm writing for someone and I will not be there to clarify things, or writing for publication (which I'd love to do more of!), I will use 4 staves because that's expected. But there's a problem with that when it comes to divisi. If I want to go from SA to SSA or SAA, I have to put the third note on either the soprano staff or the alto staff. But what I might actually intend is SMA, with equal numbers of sopranos, mezzos and altos, and I always wonder whether the average choir director will take that into consideration. (One of my faculty colleagues at Indiana University assigned the women in his ensemble to S1, S2, and A, but then had all S1s and S2s sing the soprano line when the voicing was SATB, giving a soprano-heavy sound I didn't especially care for.)

Writing for my own college groups, though, in pop styles that were
mostly homorhythmic, I used 2 staves, SA and TB.  This allowed me
to
go from unison on each staff to 2-part to 3-part to 4-part very
easily, and I did quite a lot of that.  If I got into contrapuntal
passages, of course I switched to as many staves as there were
parts.
It never seemed to bother my students (the men) to switch from
tenor
G-clef to bass clef in the middle of a chart when it was
necessary.
And when I sent out acceptance letters before the start of fall
semester, I included a chart specifying which part each singer was
to
sing in 2-, 3-, or 4-part divisi.

Editing for my early music ensemble, I make the barlines invisible
when the music seems to need it, and my singers have gotten used
to
it and are less locked into barline rhythms and more likely to
shape
their phrases according to the text accentuation.  But again, I'm
in
charge of those rehearsals and can clarify any questions.

John


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