David W. Fenton wrote:

On 5 Feb 2005 at 15:06, Ken Moore wrote:



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owainsutton.co.uk writes:



And Schoenberg *didn't* transform the Wagnerian influence out of
recognition?


If you follow his development you can see the transformation. If you
start with a serial work, it is easy to miss the connection. . . .



For me, the immediate predecessor always seemed to me to be to *Brahms*, not Wagner. Verkl�rte Nacht seems to me to follow straight on from late Brahms, and Schoenberg's extensions to tonality then follow from that point, into 12-tone tonality.


Wagner doesn't seem to me to have much to do with it!



Dika Newlin's historic book on the subject, I think, gets the progression right with her title: _Bruckner, Mahler, Schoenberg_.

RBH
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