Here's a site I've perused in the past, though the validity of its theories need to be evaluated by the reader; more often than not I find their defenses very weak, but still interesting.   Brahms is identified herein as agnostic, at least:
 
 
And while I do find the statement by Brahms must be taken for what it's worth (in my case, absolutely nothing at all) I don't attack Brahms for having made the statement.  Full of shit?  Yeah.  And also (at times) full of splendor, drudgery, genius, boredom and inspiration whether divine or worldly.  Somewhat like we all - in wildly varying amounts, I'd think. And so I take the comment from Brahms as nothing more than simple-mindedness in an artistic/philosophic area in which we would have been in total disagreement.  I take the defense of such an inane statement likewise as simple-mindedness.  I'm not actually insulted by the line nor by the defense of it. I just find it ALL to be a somewhat smelly load....of shit; insulting in the usual holier-than-thou fashion -- and therefore, at least to me: meaningless.   Perhaps his opinion changed as he aged.   Don't know.   As perhaps will yours.   And mine.
 
To those who have read their correspondence and as well their mutual letters to Simrock, Dvorak obsequiously idolized Brahms in the early years of their relationship. It's nearly embarrassing when Dvorak grovels and refers to Brahms as 'Your Nobleness' and other such toadying terms.  Fortunately he was able later to relate to Brahms as a peer and not a master.   But Dvorak the devout Catholic was able to leave us his evaluation of what he described as Brahms's lack of faith after one of their in-person discussions on religion: 
 
"Such a great man!   Such a great soul!  And he believes in nothing!"
 
But: what a great output of music -- one of my favorites.
 
Best,
 
Les
 
 
  
Les Marsden
Founding Music Director and Conductor,
The Mariposa Symphony Orchestra
Music and Mariposa?  Ahhhhh, Paradise!!!
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Finale] ot; the "launching pad"

On 12 Apr 2005 at 8:55, Florence + Michael wrote:

> Apparently Brahms did have something to say about women composers. Can
> anybody give me a serious source for this quote, found in a German
> musical calendar with no bibliographical references:
>
> "Es wird dann erst eine Komponistin geben, wenn der erste Mann ein
> Kind zur Welt gebracht hat" (more or less "There won't be a woman
> composer until a man gives birth to a child")
>
> My wife would like to include the quote in a book she's writing about
> French women composers, but she won't put it in unless she can give
> reasonable proof that Brahms actually said, or wrote it.

I think it's highly suspect, given how close Brahms was to Clara
Schumann, who was, quite plainly, a very able composer in her own
right. Brahms knew this, probably better than just about anyone other
than Robert Schumann himself.

> Oh, and just for the record: I consider myself to be both an atheist
> and a feminist, but this won't stop me from loving and playing music
> by Brahms.

Er, why the hell would anyone think that my objection to one quoted
sentiment of Brahms would mean that I reject his music? Wagner was a
hateful anti-Semite (though probably not as bad as modern scholarship
casts him to be, especially in terms of his contemporaries), but that
doesn't mean I reject his music.

I just reject Wagner's BS, just as I reject Brahms's. Their music is
another matter entirely.

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