On 07 Jun 2005, at 3:36 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Also, XCode has a checkbox that allows the developer to choose
between PowerPC, Intel or both.
Karen,
I doubt Coda has even looked at Xcode yet -- I strongly suspect they
are still using Metroworks Codewarrior, despite repeated stern
warnings from Apple that this is a Very Bad Idea.
Hi Darcy,
I am in total agreement with you when it comes to Coda and issues
with the new Intel chips...though it does give me some comfort based
on your later post that the developer(s) is(are) familiar with XCode.
And I continue to try to err on the side of optimism...
But those developers who have been keeping up with Apple, and
therefore X Code, have been working in a way that, as Brad again
pointed out, "According to Steve Jobs, OSX has been
living a "secret double life" for its entire existence, with Intel
builds as far back as OSX 10.0. "
This is in fact true. So, from Apple's standpoint, they have been
running on both chips for many years. I think that using Motorola
chips has held Apple back...and I think that Steve Jobs has been
looking to get away from Motorola...hence, making sure everything
runs on both chip sets...now he is able to move away from Motorola.
Finale will have to be first ported to Xcode before anyone can even
begin to think about recompiling for Intel. This is, from what I've
been able to figure out, not a trivial task by any means.
Yup! I agree...I hope Coda has at least a couple of developers with
their arses pl anted in chairs up in San Fran....
I don't know if Coda has written code that is specifically written
to a specific type of processor or not (which wouldn't be a wise
thing)...but most developers will simply have to do a recompile to
add the Intel chip.
Not according to Steve. Even developpers who have been using Xcode
instead of Codewarrior have (best-case-scenario) weeks of work ahead
of them, _pace_ the Mathematica demo given during the Keynote. Keep
in mind, this is aside from any MIDI issues -- Hiro has been saying
MIDI backwards compatibility isn't even possible. I really, really,
really hope that's not the case.
I can't imagine a company, that produces a product such as Logic
Audio for instance, that has come up with such a great way to handle
midi (Core Audio) would drop the ball in such a huge way!! I know
that midi setup etc. is WAY better in OS X than it was in OS 9. Step
back for a minute and remember Steve Jobs isn't stupid. I'm not
saying that the road won't have it's bumps...but again...this move
has been in the works for a long time.
Not a big deal. I think issues will be easier than moving from 68K
to PowerPC for sure.
That strikes me as optimistic beyond all reason.
I disagree...I've been in touch with folks that are sitting in
classes up in San Francisco as we speak (O.K....they actually may be
sampling really good Tequila at this particular moment...) and they
have a different impression. Again, I'm not saying "smooth sailing
all the way" because that would optimistic beyond all reason. But
this is a liberating move for Apple in my opinion.
Regarding this specific Intel chip...word on the street is that
there is a specific type of chip called Itanium which, if rumors
are true, will be used in Apple hardware. This is an old article
but I think this may be the case.
I'm afraid not. As it stands, Apple will be using P4's. In fact,
the machine Steve used as a demo -- which is also the machine being
seeded to developpers -- is a 3.6 GHz P4 (albeit in a G5 case, no
doubt with Open Firmware instead of standard P4 bios.
Perhaps for now he is using P4's (which we don't know for sure...and
if true would be really impressive...and proof of some serious
flexibility and foresight)....but, there may be some things he can't
or won't for business reasons completely disclose right now....or
else he is saying that "there may be a future chip called Itanium" or
something to that effect when in fact it is being put into practice
as we speak...I would think that once Intel had the confidence that
Apple wouldn't be considering the AMD chips in any way, they would
make concessions that will benefit Apple solely. That would be a
smart business move and may change the whole market share structure.
Speculation on my part but I think entirely possible.
Regardless, it doesn't much matter -- it's still a completely alien
chip architecture, and it's frankly insane to believe this could
possibly be a seamless transition. There's a lot of bitter medicine
ahead for Mac users.
But this is not an alien chip architecture...to us it is but to Apple
it isn't. Not seamless...it is a transition. But they have been
working on this for quite awhile.
I think this is great news for Apple...I think this will result in
a big boost in processor speeds...now, regarding Coda...I'm not as
optimistic...but willing to give the benefit of a doubt...for now...
What, because Coda's OS X migration went so smoothly?
No, I never said it did...but I wasn't talking about Coda...however,
I choose to start out optimistically and assume that someone at Coda
at least knows something about XCode.
Hoping for the best because I really love Finale,
I love Finale too, but Coda screwed up big time with OS X and right
now I have zero confidence they will handle this migration any
better.
I have +6 confidence on a scale of 1-10.....leaning toward
optimism...just because I'm more comfortable that way! :-)
Take care,
K
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