A quick brainstorming-type suggestion, Darcy -- if the saving of audio in the four passes and moving it to Audacity worked, and you just want the multimeasure rests to get out of the way, is it possible for you to configure each pass with one or two instruments from each family playing in combination, rather than families at a time? Then you should come close to having at least one instrument playing at all times within each pass.
-- Mike On 6/24/05 3:53 AM, "Darcy James Argue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Don, > > When I saved to audio in four passes (i.e., ww's, brass, perc, and > strings) and tried to align them, the tempo drift seemed to happen > almost exclusively during long rests -- i.e., the percussion would come > in several beats too early. (I'm telling you, it's just like real > life!) > > Luckily, there was no noticeable tempo drift when the GPO instruments > were actually playing -- so it was really just a matter of lining up > the initial entrances after every (sectional) multi-measure rest. > > What I'm wondering is whether HP takes into account muted (or > non-soloed) instruments when playing back -- especially when it comes > to fermattas, etc. If HP only looks at the instruments that have been > soloed in the Instrument List, that would explain all those bad > entrances! On the one hand, it makes sense for HP to ignore > muted/non-soloed instruments -- after all, why take into account staves > that aren't set for playback. On the other hand, the lack of a > consistent tempo between "takes" makes aligning multiple passes an > incredible chore. > > I'm going to CC Robert Piéchaud on this -- perhaps he can shed some > light on this issue. I really think that HP should abide by a > consistent "master" tempo map no matter which instruments have been > soloed or muted. > > - Darcy > ----- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Brooklyn, NY > > > On 24 Jun 2005, at 3:38 AM, Don Hart wrote: > >> Glad Audacity worked for you - sorry to hear about the other problems. >> Seems like the barline would be the perfect point of reference to keep >> that >> sort of thing from happening. >> >> If I had to vote, I'd choose Human Playback as the culprit over GPO. >> Sometimes, when I play back a section of a file several times >> consecutively >> and re-humanize it each time, I wonder if I'm not noticing little >> differences from playback to playback. If that is what I'm hearing, >> while >> not actually looking for discrepancies, it seems the magnitude of those >> differences would easily be capable of making the mess you had to deal >> with. >> >> Seems like a cumulative problem that gets worse over longer, busier >> passages. Did you try lining up sections of shorter length? >> >> Don Hart >> >> >> >> on 6/24/05 1:35 AM, Darcy James Argue at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >>> Thanks, Don. Audacity was *exactly* what I was looking for. >>> >>> On a related note, though, I was surprised how much tempo drift there >>> was between the two audio tracks I recorded. I know GPO sometimes >>> drops frames when it gets overloaded (resulting in an accel. effect), >>> so I tried splitting the orchestra in four to avoid taxing my poor Mac >>> mini, but that was even worse. I had imagined that if I just got the >>> *beginning* of both files aligned, they would stay aligned for the >>> entire piece, but that was absolutely not the case. In fact, I had to >>> hand-align practically every entrance. (It's almost like Human >>> Playback is a little *too* human when it comes to counting >>> multimeasure >>> rests.) >>> >>> Long story short, it was an incredible PITA to get everything aligned, >>> and required hours of trial-and-error hand-tweaking. So I'm *really* >>> hoping NI get their act together on the Mac side, because this is just >>> ridiculous. (Unfortunately, the move to MacIntel doesn't exactly give >>> them a lot of incentive to optimize their PPC code. Sigh.) >>> >>> - Darcy >>> ----- >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Brooklyn, NY >>> >>> >>> On 24 Jun 2005, at 12:06 AM, Don Hart wrote: >>> >>>> Darcy, >>>> >>>> If I have an accurate understanding of what you need and what this >>>> program >>>> will do, Audacity is what you're looking for. I haven't yet needed >>>> to >>>> do >>>> what you're doing, but in my time with the program it was very >>>> intuitive. >>>> My experience observing guys use ProTools seemed to help me get >>>> around >>>> Audacity. Anyway, you can check it out: >>>> >>>> http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ >>>> >>>> I was really impressed; I hope it helps. >>>> >>>> Don Hart >>>> >>>> >>>> on 6/23/05 10:17 PM, Darcy James Argue at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>>> >>>>> Okay, it's that time... >>>>> >>>>> I need to make an audio demo of an orchestration I've written. As >>>>> those of you who have GPO for Mac know only too well, my 1.42 GHz >>>>> Mac >>>>> mini doesn't have nearly enough horsepower to drive GPO through a >>>>> large >>>>> orchestral score (3333 / 4331 / Timp+Perc / Harp / Solo Vln / >>>>> Strings). >>>>> >>>>> I've done all my usual GPO tricks (*drastically* reduce polyphony on >>>>> percussion and harp, bypass reverb, set sample rate to 22.05 KHz), >>>>> but >>>>> I can still only really get half the orchestra to play back reliably >>>>> at >>>>> any given time. So that's exactly what I did -- soloed half the >>>>> orchestra and recorded that to audio file; then soloed the other >>>>> half >>>>> and did the same thing. >>>>> >>>>> Now I need to combine the two audio files in a basic multitrack >>>>> audio >>>>> editor. But I don't currently own a basic multitrack audio editor. >>>>> So >>>>> -- suggestions? Cheap and simple are best -- my needs are very >>>>> modest, >>>>> I just need to line up these two files and join them. >>>>> >>>>> - Darcy >>>>> ----- >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> Brooklyn, NY >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Finale mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Finale mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Finale mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Finale mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Finale mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale _______________________________________________ Finale mailing list [email protected] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
