At 7:31 AM -0700 6/29/05, Ken Durling wrote:
At 07:16 AM 6/29/2005, you wrote:
There are mensural pieces, perhaps as early as the 13th century but certainly by the 14th, for which the original notation and the relations between tempus and prolatio have to be resolved when transcribing into modern notation. By the 14th century it was quite possible to indicate either interpretation. And there are dance breaks in Act I of Monteverdi's "L'Orfeo" which go like the wind when the exact interpretation of both mensuration signs and proportion signs is observed.

John


My medieval theory is a little rusty, but wasn't it deVitry or someone in the Ars Nova that is generally - perhaps too loosely - credited with legitimizing, not to say inventing, the duple subdivision?

I think that what he provided (or someone in his circle did) an actual notational means to indicate duple subdividion called "coloration," literally done by switching to red ink for the duple passages, and after white notation caught on in the 15th century by using black notation for the duples. But reading between the lines, why would he have developed coloration if he and other musicians were not already using duple subdivision (which was theoretically possible even the the 13th century Frankonian notation by indicating perfect or imperfect tempus and prolation, even though the music of the time was predominently in triple subdivision).

John


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