On 1 Aug 2005 at 7:20, Phil Daley wrote:

> At 7/31/2005 05:01 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
> 
>  >> Since it is so easy to use a CD Creator program and you can save
>  the >> "Image file" so it can be used multiple times, I can see no
>  reason to >> use an unreliable program, like XCOPY. > >How do you
>  script a CD Creator program for regular backup, so that >it's a
>  single doubleclick for the end user?
> 
> It can even be added to the Task Scheduler, so that users wouldn't
> even have to think about "double clicking" anything.
> 
>  >Secondly, why would you want to repeatedly backup a single image of
>  >your data files?
> 
> You've lost me.  I thought that was what you were doing with a backup
> script?

Do you know what the term "image file" means? Obviously not.

"Image file" means one of two things:

1. a file that has the contents of an entire CD that can then be 
imaged onto the CD-R/RW in one operation.

2. a file that captures the image of an entire hard drive, created 
with programs like Symantec's Ghost.

When you use the term "image file" anyone who has any experience with 
CD-R's is going to think that you mean one of those two things.

> I thought you were copying a set of directories to a CD-R.
> 
> That's what a Creator script does, makes the same type of backup to a
> CD-R.  Obviously, it copies all the changes, which you don't seem to
> understand.

You used the term "image file," which is not by any means the same 
thing. You wrote:

> Since it is so easy to use a CD Creator program and you can save 
> the "Image file" so it can be used multiple times. . .

It seems that all you meant was saving the script as a file, not as 
an "image file."

>  >If you're doing a full backup, yes, imaging the drive is great.
> 
> No.  I would never ever do a full backup, too big, too many CDs.
> 
>  >But if all you're doing is a data backup (substantially less data),
>  >then it's not satisfactory.
> 
> Of course not, that is not what I was saying to do.

Well, your completely non-standard use of the term "image file" 
applied to a simple *FILE* made it impossible to understand what you 
meant.

>  >1. the built in backup program provided with WinXP can only use hard
>  >drives or floppy disks, not CD-R.
> 
> I would never use a Microsoft backup program.
> 
>  >2. the built-in tools for creating CD-Rs are not scriptable, so you
>  >can't create a backup script to run at will or no a schedule.
> 
> I said you need a CD Creator program.

Well, then, you're agreeing with me that it is impossible to do this 
with standard Windows XP -- you need add-on software.

>  >What would you suggest for backup, both method and medium?
> 
> A CD Creator program.  Didn't you read my message?

You have changed the terms of the question without saying so.

I was never talking about buying add-on software, as should have been 
clear to you if you'd bothered to pay any attention to the thread.

I was pointing out that techniques for using writable optical drives 
that worked in previous versions of Windows are now BROKEN in WinXP. 
And you have not disputed that. You've simply provided a way of, 
perhaps, working around the problem that involves buying additional 
software.

That's fine, except that before WinXP, not additional software 
purchases were necessary to use this functionality of a CD-R drive.

Which basically makes my point.

-- 
David W. Fenton                        http://www.bway.net/~dfenton
David Fenton Associates                http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc

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