At 1:42 AM +0100 10/22/05, John Bell wrote:
On 22 Oct 2005, at 01:28, Darcy James Argue wrote:

This is a situation where, IMO, the copyist should confront the composer, asking "Are you _sure_ you want this clef change in the part?" and then explaining what Andrew said, with emphasis on "mixing the two systems is just plain wrong" and "if you want the bcl to sound up a ninth, do not under any circumstances write a bass clef for it."


Many composers look at the b.cl. part for the "Rite" and think, "If Stravinsky does it, it must be okay." But mixing two different transpositions in a b.cl. part is just begging for trouble.


I entirely agree with you, and Andrew, but Stravinsky was not alone in this. There was a convention for a time in parts of Europe at least, to write the bcl part up a ninth in treble clef most of the time, but in low passages to go into bass clef and write it up a tone.

I'm not defending this method, merely suggesting that Stravinsky was following a convention that was fairly common at the time.

Probably quite true. And of course I accept Andrew's statement that conventions in Germany and some other parts of (Eastern?) Europe may differ from those here. But would a composer not be better off notating in a way that can be immediately and unquestionably understood at sight in ANY and every country in the world? And by bass clarinetists who are not in the elite orchestras where they have to understand all the historical ins and outs of bass clarinet notation? I would vote for confrontation, but it's your client and your job, so it's entirely up to you.

John


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