On Jun 21, 2006, at 10:49 PM, John Howell wrote:

Meanwhile the bass trombone is asked to play the D below that--the bottom D on the piano. I heard a performance of this w. the Buffalo Philharmonic where the most amazing blat came out there--just what I think Berg wanted; but to get it that loud, the 4th trb. player was using a contrabass trb. for the whole part.

I would think that if it were "Just what ... Berg wanted," he would have specified contrabass. I suspect that he knew exactly what he wanted, and what it would sound like on the instrument specified.

It's quite clear however that he *didn't* know what he was doing. He specifies three tenor trombones and one bass. The tenors are all instructed to play a fortissimo "Pedalton" on a pitch that can in fact only be played as a weak privileged frequency. It is a neat irony that, had the first trombone been designated an alto, it could have played this same note as a true pedal--but it was not so designated. All that being the case, it is not at all clear that his instruction to the btrb to play the same note an octave lower was a fully informed decision.

Another bit of confusion: I think that a lot of the very wide-bore, big-bell btrbs. that some of you have been discussing are the same thing that I have been calling an F contrabass trombone. If there is a distinction betw. the two, I don't know what it is. In my book I use the term cbtrb. to refer only to the "true" contrabass in BBb, with double-barreled slide, or the valved equivalent; but following discussions last year with people on the contrabass list, I have been persuaded that any wide-bore trombone that can readily play down to the piano's bottom A, with no gaps, should be considered a contrabass trombone. Since there are a lot of professional trombonists gathered here, I'd like to ask how and where they themselves draw the line.

Andrew Stiller
Kallisti Music Press
http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/

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