On 24 Jun 2006 at 16:26, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:

> At 12:40 PM 6/24/06 -0400, Andrew Stiller wrote:
> >I don't think this "cycling back out" is likely any time soon. 
> >Historically, the norm for notation is a very gradual evolution based
> > on changing understanding of what notations mean. Periods of frank
> >experimentation come along only about once every 300 years, and
> >seldom last very long.
> 
> The recently-ended experimental period was a long stretch, about 75
> years, and the last one was only a century earlier (Beethoven). Before
> that, the time largely ignored now, Sturm und Drang. And Mannerism,
> that spectacular post-Renaissance turmoil. And the previous biggie, of
> course, and probably my favorite, the Ars Nova.

I'm missig your point here, as Andrew was talking about *notational* 
innovation. I don't know of any particular notational innovation most 
of your examples.

I believe Andrew was talking about the big breaks in notation where 
new kinds of music emerged and forced a new kind of notation. 
Beethovan and the Sturm und Drang period certainly did not in any way 
stretch the notational systems precisely because the innovations they 
exhibited could perfectly well be represented in the existing 
notational system without alteration to it.

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David W. Fenton                    http://dfenton.com
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