Hi David,

I'm not sure what the specific situations are that limit your expectations,
but in a professional setting I expect the nomenclature to be adhered to, or
that someone will notify me of a needed change.  When I write for bass trbn
I have a fairly particular sound in mind: that resonant, fat sound that is
only really achieved with a large bore instrument.  Substituting a large
bore tenor like the 88H will change the texture of the score, at least to
some degree.  Use my Selmer with it's stuffy little F-attachment, and all
bets are off.  

The more specific a requested sound or style (especially if exposed or
featured) and the further it is from a perceived norm, the more specific the
attempt should be in specifying the desired instrument and/or player.  In
studio work this sometimes necessitates discussing personnel with the
contractor, making sure he and the player(s) know what is needed.  I've also
called players directly, when I know who has been booked, to check their
comfort level with something I have in mind.

I feel like there is a perceived norm for bass trbn when I ask for it, but
contrabass trbn seems to be much more specialized, though that may be due to
the fact that I haven't written for CBT and don't know of one locally.


Don Hart


on 6/24/06 6:57 AM, dhbailey at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Christopher Smith wrote:
>> 
>> On Jun 23, 2006, at 5:16 PM, John Howell wrote:
>> 
>>> At 4:42 PM -0400 6/23/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>> In a message dated 6/23/06 3:27:17 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>>>> 
>>>>> 1. The only modern contrabass trombone I've EVER heard of is in
>>>>> BB-flat,
>>>>> though some today add an F trigger. Both of these are an octave
>>>>> lower than
>>>>> the tenor-bass instrument used today, regardless of its boresize.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Actually, Mirafone makes one that is pitched in F.
>>> 
>>> Gentlemen, we are arguing semantics, and my only concern is with sound.
>> 
>> 
>> Actually, nomenclature is very important when specifying instruments for
>> a score, which is what we all do here.
>> 
>> So yes, it is helpful to know what instrument will be used when we
>> specify bass trombone or contrabass trombone.
>> 
> 
> But even if we use the nomenclature that we think is clear, we still
> don't know what instrument will be used when we specify bass trombone or
> contrabass trombone.
> 
> Many people play bass trombone parts on large-bore tenor trombones with
> f-attachments, while many others play them on trombones with F and D
> attachments (did I get that second one right?) which have larger bores
> and give a fatter sound.
> 
> But specifying Bass Trombone only guarantees that you might get an
> instrument with an F-attachment -- I've even seen those parts played on
> obvious tenor trombones even without particularly large bores but with F
> attachments to enable them to get the lower notes.  Not great tone, but
> the pitches were there.  Not the sound the composer had in mind, I'm sure.
> 
> Specify contrabass trombone and you may get a tuba playing the part.
> The musicians playing the parts will determine what instrument plays
> that part, not the nomenclature we put on it.

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