David W. Fenton wrote:
On 2 Aug 2006 at 10:48, dhbailey wrote:

A notation package should remain that, a notation package.  A
sequencer should remain that, a sequencer.

I'm sorry, but I simply disagree with this.

Any notation package should provide decent tools for controlling playback. That's important for proofreading, of course, but also for producing any output. It makes no sense whatsoever to fork your playback file from your notation file, especially if you're a composer, since revisions to the notation file means you have to revise a second time in the MIDI file, redoing all the tweaks you've done in your sequencer.

I agree with this, which was why I made the point about the industry getting together and coming up with one file format that would work for both notation (all notation programs) and for sequencers (all midi applications.) Thus you wouldn't be tweaking two files and trying to keep them straight, there would be one file that you'd work on sometimes in a DAW, other times in a more bare-bones sequencer, and other times in a notation program. I do realize that trying to get the players in the music application field to actually talk to each other and try to come up with such a file format has about as much chance of success as having Microsoft actually make software that isn't bloated. But it's nice to dream. :-)

But when developers start making their program do the work of two programs and then three programs and so on (notation becomes notation and sequencer becomes notation and sequencer and audio production becomes notation and sequencer and audio production and video becomes notation and sequencer and audio production and video and audio integration) without adding developers at each step of the way, the addition of each new major feature simply dilutes the quality of the existing features and as we've seen in Finale, new annual upgrades focus on one aspect with a few bare bones thrown to those who care more about the other aspects, with no single upgrade being a true upgrade for all aspects of the program.



Most of my work is not composing, but the few times I do things in a sequencer that can't be done well in Finale (such as controlling sustain pedal on/off precisely), it makes for more work.

Now, the sequencer in Finale doesn't have to be as capable as a standalone sequencer (just as a sequencer should have notation capability, but doesn't need to provide as much layout control as a notation program), but it ought to be better than it is.


That's the problem -- how much better than it is currently? Who's to decide? Once this slippery slope is started on, there's no end in sight, just further dilution of development staff and money. When will Finale's sequencer be "better enough" so they can put "Finished" to that aspect and leave it to improve other aspects of the program?


And the market definitely seems to me to demand integration of sequencing into Finale, just as it demands the capability of producing sound files from Finale (WAV, MP3, etc.). There are a lot more people who want the whole shebang in one package than need the kinds of high-end notational control that most of this on this list require. And it's only those broader masses that will sustain Finale as a product so that the notational capabilities can continue be developed and extended.


But are the notational capabilities truly being developed and extended? The past few upgrades have basically taken plug-ins and moved them to other menus. Not since the introduction of Staff Styles has Finale had any major notational upgrade. We will see soon (whenever they get Fin2007 out the door) whether the linked scores/parts works as we all hope it will.

As the audio production capabilities of Finale have been "improved" we've seen our money go to GPO playback and not to notation.

I agree that more and more people want the whole shebang in one package.

I just don't agree that they should be allowed to try to have it because I don't think it's possible, and what I see is the failure of a major notation package.

Do we really have to go down this road until somebody says "Oh, yeah, they was right! It can't be done!" only to find that there is no customer base left and no money for getting things back to where they were and what was once a great notation program sits on the auction block as the would-be king of the audio-notation-video-midi-DAW applications?

We all know that Windows has gotten worse as the OS has tried to be everything to everybody. Shouldn't that alone be lesson enough to stop trying to make Finale a one-stop application for every musical need of every sort?

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David H. Bailey
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