At 4:22 PM -0400 8/9/06, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 9 Aug 2006 at 12:50, John Howell wrote:
> The other suggestions that it could indicate an
appoggiatura (a lower one in this case), a
mordent, or a trill of some kind, are also quite
possible. It is the context that suggests the
solution I favor.
Note that the second one in the top staff is not really a 3rd below
(and the 1st one in that same staff is rather high for a 3rd). On the
other hand, the appoggiatura is omitted in the last measure of the
2nd staff, so there's inconsistency there already (typical for the
time).
Exactly. That's why I said "can be perceived to
be" a third below, since with manuscript this
sloppy it's a judgement call.
What you call a "fluttering" effect is more
likely a "flatement," an ornament unique to
woodwind instruments with open holes, . . .
Er, it's not at all "unique to woodwind instruments." The flattement
was a favorite ornament of the French viola da gambists.
OK, I may have my terminology mixed up (not the
first time!). But how is the viol flattement
played, since the name describes a vibrato-like
ornament going below the main pitch?
. . . played as a
sort of finger vibrato on the lowest open holes
without actually closing that hole. (A similar
effect, the "pincée," is possible on fretted or
unfretted strings instruments, . . .
The pincée and flattement are two distinctly different ornaments. The
pincée is a mordent, while the flattement is the wide finger vibrato.
Well, if the pincée is extended it's no longer a
mordent. The ornament I'm thinking of is a
2-finger vibrato/trill extending over the fret,
but not raising the pitch a full halfstep and so
more of a vibrato than a trill. I used to think
it required frets, until I tried it on violin and
found that it works just fine.
. . . although in that
> case the pitch variation is up rather than down.)
Would you then also realize the appoghiaturas in the measures that
follow? Either the player knows how to play this sort of music or
they don't, and either knows that ornaments of this kind are
generally on the beat or they don't.
Editor's choice, of course. There's hardly any
question about the notation indicating
appoggiaturas, while the ornament in question
wouldn't have been brought up except for being a
pretty non-standard one. Even the rather
knowledgeable people on this list can't agree on
its realization.
Realizing it will only confuse
those who *do* know the style, so I'd write it out as Finale grace
notes, and assume that anyone interested in playing this repertory
will be knowledgable enough to apply period practice.
Again, mixing up a common sign with an unusual
one, but of course my choice as editor might be
different from yours.
John
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