--- Darcy James Argue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 10 Aug 2006, at 3:31 AM, Tyler Turner wrote: > > > And you've never shown any evidence to dispute the > > fact that on my very own machine I've been able to > > show that with more graphic card features enabled, > > performance in Finale slows down. > > I don't know how I could possibly produce evidence > that you don't see > what you're seeing on your machine. I'm not doubting > your results as > reported. But frankly, I'm still unconvinced that > the results you are > describing are explained by inadequate 2D > performance on your > graphics card, or that a more expensive card would > give you > significantly better 2D results. This flies in the > face of everything > I've ever read about video cards -- and believe it > or not, I've read > a lot about video cards. Does having a faster processor fly in the face of everything you've heard about performance? Did you read the user accounts I pointed out in which other users reported improvement after switching to video cards with reputations for better 2D graphics? People are saying that performance improved for them. Are you just unwilling to believe them? > > > This is just silly though. You're telling me that > > because I'm simply not able to find many articles > > addressing 2D performance that it some how > indicates > > the performance has equalized? > > Yes, in fact. I'm saying that every authority I > trust, backed up by > ever 2D benchmark I've ever seen, supports the view > that there is > effectively no difference in 2D performance between > modern video > cards. That's why you don't see many 2D benchmarks > in video card > reviews -- they aren't interesting. Darcy, give me a break. They're not interesting because the audience that's reading these reviews doesn't care about 2D performance. The games they are playing don't require nearly the 2D graphic power that you need from some of these professional applications. And the fact is that it's been increasingly difficult to find 2D reviews for years - ever since 3D graphic cards and 3D games arrived. > When you're > talking about modern > video cards, 2D benchmarks are virtually identically > across the board You point these out. I've pointed out the only benchmarks I could find, and they showed a huge variance. > > Given that my view is the mainstream view, I think > it's entirely > reasonable of me to say that the burden of proof is > on you to provide > counterexamples, supported by empirical evidence > (i.e., benchmarks). I gave you user accounts. You chose not to believe them. I gave you benchmarks. You said that because they were somewhat older that they clearly didn't apply. And yet somehow the wide variation in 2D benchmarks between cards that existed 3 years ago should just be assumed to be completely absent now. I've shown strong reason to believe that this variance would still exist. The burden of proof is on you, sir, to show why what was true before due to natural progression of video cards would suddenly no longer be true now after further progression. You show me why having a faster overall processing speed has stopped improving performance. I've shown that the video card in my system is a bottle-neck for Finale. Show me why having faster processing capabilities no longer improves the situation. Faster, more efficient processing resulting in better performance definitely qualifies as a mainstream belief. Disprove it. > Seriously, I'm more than happy to let the whole > thing drop at this > point (and I suspect everyone else is too). How much more than happy would that make you? We'll find out! > Tyler, I honestly do not want to be unduly > confrontational here, but > seriously, you are the person who did not know the > difference between > the 7300 GS and the 7300 GT, and earlier tried to > cite GS benchmarks > as if they were representative of GT performance. Wrong, Darcy, but nice try. I didn't specify the 7300GT, nor do I even care if Apple is offering the 7300GT or GS. My point was simply that the Radeon 9700 is still keeping up with cards that are sold today. Remember - my beef is that Apple would have me spend money on a second processor rather than putting the money into a video card which would actually let me see a performance gain. > Even so, all these reviews agree > that the 7300 GT > is the most powerful budget graphics card currently > on the market. > It's certainly a *huge* leap in performance from > your Radeon X600, > and outperforms every other graphics card in this > price range. The actual price for that video card is about $500 higher as far as I'm concerned, because I'm buying a nearly worthless extra Intel processor along with it. > So > absent some benchmarks to the contrary, I'm afraid I > don't actually > agree that you have "GOOD reason to believe" that > the 7300 GT would > stumble in 2D applications, even when driving two > hi-res monitors. Okay, listen. I have two computers here. One runs at 3.2GHz (computer A), the other at 3.0GHz (computer B) (both using same generation P4's) and both configured 1024X768 32-bit color. Taking the same large file into a freshly installed PrintMusic 2006 demo on both computers, I drag the screen around with the graphic acceleration turned all around. As expected, the machines are very similar, with the 3.2GHz machine taking an almost imperceptible performance lead. Now I turn the acceleration all the way up. Suddenly, the performance of computer B jumps way ahead of computer A, despite the fact that it has the slightly slower processor. Redraws are, I'm estimating, about 50% faster. To be sure, both computers take a HUGE performance hit when turning up the graphic acceleration, but for one computer the hit is much smaller than the other. Why? Keep in mind that both computers have dedicated video cards that have been on the market within the last 3 years. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Finale mailing list [email protected] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
