Jim,

I promised to write again so here it is. 

I contacted this list because I am totally incompetent as to music
software. I iterated many times what I wanted, though ideal as it may
seem. All I want is to write a score into a notation package as Finale
and then play the results as realistically as possible and record the
results. The whole thing is 3 songs for a demo CD. Although my
technological competence is quite good, I don't see how the software
works, never having the opportunity to work with any package. 

As I understand, I need a sequencer, a sampler and of course some CD
authoring program. I've done video production, that is, recorded my own
rehearsals and concerts with a decent amateur grade camcorder (720/480
lines) and 48 Khz stereo sound, my own engineering, micing, etc and some
sound editing in Vegas Studio Platinum 6. So digital editing is not a
stranger to me at all. However, composition with music software is. 

Now, because of the huge output of the list's members due to my innocent
question, some things cleared in my cluttered and unadvised mind. What
remains to be found out is how "realistic" Finale's output is indeed. In
general, many packages' rendition of orchestral sounds are quite decent.
However vocals are a different thing. Some packages are good, others not
at all so good. It also depends on the sample to be sure. 

Technically, what I need is lots of chopping of samples into single notes
to be able to put them back to back and turn them into melodies. Also,
the accompaniment would have to be similarly obtained. But once I have
all the guitars' and singers' scales I can combine them by laying them on
different tracks. Here is what I don't know: If I write the music into
Finale and have the single note samples worked out, will the sequencer in
Finale render the score correctly right away or some other software will
have to be used for translating the notated score into output? I assume
that this would be the job of the sequencer. But since Finale doesn't
seem to have a sampler, will I need an external sampler to obtain the
single samples?
I assume that that will be the case. This is why I put the question in
the first place and am advocating integrated packages.

Sincerely John.

On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 22:47:08 -0400 "Williams, Jim"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Yes, David, I would have a different definition of a sequencer.
> I find the MIDI tool to be rather unwieldy in Finale.
> My definition of a sequencer would include some kind of editable 
> piano-roll view as well as the ability to draw controller data using 
> a mouse and edit MIDI at the event-list level.
>  
> The only notation program that approaches being a decent sequence is 
> Overture 4.  It has the piano roll, an on-score MIDI editor, the 
> ability to draw controller data, and the ability to manipulate MIDI 
> with ease at the individual note level. It is also a full VST 
> host...ANY VSTi, not just Native Instruments VSTi.  It can also 
> humanize reasonably well.
>  
> All of this is incredibly time-consuming, if not impossible, using 
> the Finale MIDI tool.
>  
> With the advent of things like GPO and other sound libraries of all 
> cost classes, we ought to also be seeing a movement towards a "total 
> music creation environment" so it becomes unnecessary to do notation 
> in Finale, then dump into a sequencer, then interface with the sound 
> library, then burn the CD demo of a work.  At this point, only 
> Overture approaches this (TO ME) ideal.
>  
> I know that the "Notation-Only" people are going to object to this, 
> but that's where thigs are headed, and there's no law that says 
> notation has to be compromised in order to gain playback capability. 
> Notation is only compromised if a software manufacturer CHOOSES to 
> overlook bugs and shortcomings of long standing...sound like anyone 
> we know?
>  
> Jim
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of David W. Fenton
> Sent: Wed 04-Oct-06 22:25
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [Finale] Wandering augmentation dots?
> 
> 
> 
> On 4 Oct 2006 at 22:12, Williams, Jim wrote:
> 
> > No, Finale is not a sequencer, nor is Sibelius...
> 
> But you can edit MIDI data and save the file as MIDI. That makes it 
> a
> sequencer, seems to me, but maybe you have a different definition 
> of
> the term.
> 
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