On Nov 26, 2006, at 6:00 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:


On 26 Nov 2006, at 4:07 PM, Chuck Israels wrote:

Why, Darcy?  I've done this forever with no untoward incidents.

I've had tremendous problems in the past, especially with measure- attached expressions,

Oh yes, Darcy. I remember this problem, but it has been a long time since it's cropped up. Something seems to have cured it along the way. It had to do with staff lists for Expressions. When they were modified (2006?) things went crazy. I think they still do when you update an older file.

staff styles, clef changes,

I haven't found this problem, as long as I choose my copying parameters carefully.

and so on. I've tried to join individual files of multi-movement works into a single Finale score and even with Robert's Mass Copy, it was a nightmare.

Perhaps I'm just overcautious, but I will do just about anything to avoid having to copy between documents, including (in 2k6 and earlier) saving multiple copies of the score and using the Special Part Extraction trick on each staff.

Anyway, as far as linked parts go, I cannot emphasize enough how helpful it is to read the documentation -- print out the chapter on linked parts and read it over and over and over until you have it pretty much memorized, especially the entries on "If you want to make a change in the score but not the parts..." and "If you want to make a change in all parts but not the score..."

I will do this and get to know it. Thanks for pointing me in this direction. Part of the problem for me may be a generational one. I hate reading the manual on the screen and find negotiating the "reader" rather daunting. Nevertheless, on your good advice, I will print out the pertinent parts of the manual and learn them well.
Once you've got the hang of using the override key, it is *incredibly* useful, even if you will eventually explode to separate documents. I think you will find all kinds of situations where you will need to nudge, say, a pair of chord symbols apart so they don't collide in the score -- but you don't want that operation to affect the part.

True - often. Sometimes things like mute indications will crash into things in other staves in their default position in the score, but that same default placement can be fine in the part - just the situation you describe below.

If you just remember to hold down the command key (on Mac -- on Windows it's option, right?) when you nudge, then you won't have to remember to reset the chord location in the part. The same goes for any expression that needs to be moved from its usual location to avoid a collision in the score -- dynamics, text expressions, smart shapes, whatever.

My biggest beef with linked parts at the moment (other than measure number regions and kludgy plugin support) is that there's no insert for the abbreviated staff name, nor is there an insert for the current instrument name (either full or abbreviated).

Don't Bill's custom staff styles take care of the current instrument name?


I realize that if Finale added this, it would eliminate the need for one feature of Robert's Copyists' Helper, but, you know, automation is nice. (Automatic Patterson Beams would be nice, too.)

I have asked for this last thing for two or three years - as a document option.

Thanks, Darcy.

Chuck



Cheers,

- Darcy
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