On 13 Jan 2007 at 23:59, Andrew Stiller wrote:

> On Jan 13, 2007, at 9:43 PM, John Howell wrote:
> 
> > prior to the 20th century "popular taste" could not exist in the
> > stratified, class-conscious societies of Europe and, yes, America,
> > with its pre-melting-pot amalgam of ethnic enclaves and rigid class
> > distinctions in the Eastern seacoast cities, where the upper classes
> > paid for the construction of concert halls and opera houses.
> 
> This is conventional wisdom, but it's simply untrue. Any culture, at
> any time, that has an identifiable classical music must also have a
> popular music lying outside those boundaries. Certainly in 19th c.
> America there were quite distinct classical and popular  song  styles
> that can be very easily distinguished even within the work of single
> composers (classical: virtuosic solo singer w. piano accompaniment;
> pop: non-virtuosic solo stanzas alternating with 4-part "chorus"
> refrain, with piano or guitar accompanying). I could cite examples
> from both A.P. Heinrich (a classical composer who dabbled in pop) and
> Henry Clay Work (a pop composer who dabbled in classics).

Gregory Sandow, in talking on his blog ( 
http://www.artsjournal.com/sandow/ ) about the future of classical 
music has made some important points about the history of classical 
music. The most important one I've taken away from it is that a lot 
of music that was considered "popular" in its day has now been 
subsumed under the classical music rubric. One example is the piano 
virtuosi of the 1st 2/3s of the 19th century. Liszt's early piano 
music is, in this sense, a form of popular music, not classical.

I'm not sure the point is 100% convincing, but it certainly is a 
useful distinction to be made within the body of music we now call 
"classical."

-- 
David W. Fenton                    http://dfenton.com
David Fenton Associates       http://dfenton.com/DFA/

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