On Mar 4, 2007, at 7:09 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
On 04 Mar 2007, at 9:55 AM, David W. Fenton wrote:
If you have limited rehearsal time and/or less than stellar players,
why would clearer parts *not* be a real time-saver?
David,
As I have said before, in the specific situation Bob was asking
about, having a different meter in, e.g., the saxophones vs. the
brass does *not* constitute clearer parts and would most definitely
not be a time saver.
One of the things that's throwing you is that jazz doesn't have
pronounced downbeat accents. The first note in the bar is rarely
the most accented note in the bar, even if no accents are
indicated. In 4/4, an entrance or short note on beat two or four is
going to be played more forcefully than one on beat 3. Using time
signature changes to indicate accents, or internal accent patterns,
doesn't work the way you seem to expect it to work.
And Stravinsky, hearing those non-downbeat accents as if they were
downbeats, notated L'Histoire in a way that makes little sense to a
jazz musician. There is a story that Stravinsky, upon seeing some
jazz notation, said that he'd gotten it all wrong.
Chuck
I think you're having some trouble wrapping your head around the
idea that jazz is *deliberately* under-notated (at least, compared
to a lot of 20th-century classical music) in order to leave a
certain amount of flexibility in the hands of the players.
Yes, it takes time for section players to get accustomed to the way
the lead player phrases, but not *that* much time -- the best
players will internalize most of the lead player's habits within a
couple of rehearsals, at most.
Over-notated parts won't help mediocre players swing harder.
Cheers,
- Darcy
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