At 11:58 PM -0500 3/5/07, Raymond Horton wrote:
No, no. No use of the recordings themselves. Sorry for the confusion. I am writing an instrumental composition, using these old tunes. These are tunes that have been sung by virtually ALL of the Amish in Adams County, Indiana, since they came over from Switzerland around 1815.

If you KNOW that (and can document it), you're home free regarding copyright on the songs themselves.

I only have a couple of sources for the tunes, and hers are the best and most complete. This woman doesn't own the songs. She just yodels better than most, ("I was yodeling before I was one year old") sings more melismatic versions than most and has recorded them (released without the proper copyright symbols, but within the last two decades).

Agreed that she doesn't own the songs (if your chronology is correct). And with that timeline she DOES own the recordings (which constitute "fixed form" even though the originals are probably PD).

There's no copyright in the song, unless, by her making a recording of an old folk song, slapping a "1986 copywrite 1986" [and no symbol], she has managed to gain ownership of a formerly PD song without registering a score anywhere. I tend to doubt that she owns these old songs. But who knows?

If it is established that the songs ARE PD, neither she nor anyone else can claim to OWN them, although there might be a claim to a new arrangement or edition entitled to its own copyright. (Not an edition, come to think of it, since that implies a printed version.)

They other old recordings are Alan Lomax discs from 1937. They have some of the same songs, with simpler yodels. Same questions arise - probably the first time these songs were recorded. So maybe my woman would not own the songs that Lomax recorded before, or were they too early for the 1970's law to protect?

OK, first thing, Alan (born 1915) and his father, John Lomax, were part of the Depression-Era team collecting folk songs for the Archive of Folk Culture of the Library of Congress under the government office supervised by Charles Seeger. Charles' wife, Ruth Crawford Seeger, a very talented and up and coming serious 20th century composer, was tasked to transcribe the field recordings, and has written about the difficulty of doing so since traditional singers never sing two verses exactly the same, or the same as any other singer! That is the family that produced the siblings and cousins including Pete Seeger, who is world famous, and Michael and his sister, who never achieved that kind of fame.

Alan Lomax is VERY well known to Kodaly teachers, since one of Kodaly's fundamental beliefs was that the folk songs of a culture are the musical "mother tongue" of that culture. (And Kodaly teachers in North America have special problems since the culture is polyglot, polycultural, and only a couple of centuries old, unlike the more insular cultures of Europe.) And because he did publish some of the songs that were collected for the Archive of Folk Culture, he claimed and continued to claim until his dying day that HE OWNS EVERY FOLK SONG HE PUBLISHED, and is entitled to control and profit from their use.

Just a couple of problems with that claim, starting with the fact that he totally misunderstood copyright law. First, all those field recordings were collected by and for the government, and BY LAW are public domain. Second, the songs themselves, as documented folk songs, are public domain anyway. And third, NO ONE can claim ownership of a song once in the public domain, although new arrangements and new editions can be copyrighted. (That's what Lomax never understood.)

Another thought:

For another way of thinking of these yodels, compare them to theme and variations, like "Carnival of Venice." For each of these tunes, everybody (Amish) in Adams County sings the tune, then does variations (the yodels). Everybody knows "Carnival of Venice, " nobody owns it, but Arbans wrote the best set of variations, but his might have been based on earlier ones. Fannie K. (the woman on the recordings) is the Arban of the yodels, but her versions only exist on records. Even if she owns her set of variations, which she might, does she own "Carnival of Venice?"

No, she cannot own the songs she recorded. She CAN own her own recordings. The question is then whether the (improvised) performances she recorded can be copyrighted, and to answer that question I would go not to "Carnival of Venice" (which is no folk song and was written by someone, even though I can't tell you who). I would go instead to the situation with improvised jazz recordings, where the recording itself can be copyrighted (since 1972 or whenever), but the improvisation cannot.

(And if I'm wrong about that, I hope our jazz experts will put me straight!)

But if you just intend to use her recording as a copy source, I think you're probably clear. (What I'm REALLY curious about is how you're going to represent the register break that's at the heart of yodeling instrumentally!!)

John


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