There are two systems. The absolute one which is used in all "roman" ("romanic"?) countries (Italy, Spain, Portugal and middle and south america). C is do. D is re.
E Flat is E bemolle (depending on the language) and so on.

It doesn't have that much to do whith your "relative" system (called "Tonika-Do" in German) where Do is the tonic of the major scale. This is mainly used to teach children. It could be quite a fine system for singing and learning to directly read an sing sheet music - but only if you can train it a lot and if the music is not too chromatic (see your list).

Interestingly (that's why I reply to this topic) - I learned the flatted steps using "-u". Ib would be "du" (pronounciation "doo") and so on. Sharp would be "-i" like in your version.

I had to learn these - but since I could not follow the course because I had other lessons at the same time I only had to do the final exam. I did perfect by taking some hours to learn to translate absolute notes into relative ones in real-time - which makes the whole system questionable.

I even saw a children's choir conductor who had practiced to use both hands to conduct two part melodies in real-time. They would have to be diatonic, otherwise he would have either needed four hands ("Du" is a right hand do with the left hand pointing up, but nothing compared to "su" (VIIb) which is a right hand pointing up and the left hand pointing down...;-) )

Or he would have to invent additional signs as lifting the elbow for sharps and, say, the right knee for flats. You never know.


Of course, its an other matter entirely when using them as absolute names.

And of course, you will remember songs as in Hair: "So-Do-Mi" which follows the (relative) Syllables. And, of course, pieces like Josquin Desprez's Mass for Hercules, Dux Ferrarie depend on the do-re-mi-system - he used the syllables to create his main theme.



At 21:15 08.03.2007, you wrote:

On Mar 7, 2007, at 12:48 PM, John Howell wrote:

in the fixed Do system... Do is always C, Fa is always F, etc. It is a simple substitution for the letter names that we use here, although I don't know how the altered notes are labeled. Is Eb simply Mib?

In the version I was taught, chromatic alterations were as follows:

Ib = Da
I# = Di
IIb = Ra
II# = Ri
IIIb = Me
III# = Mis
IVb = Fe
IV# = Fi
Vb = Se
V# = Si
VIb = Le
VI# = Li
VIIb = Te
VII# = Tis

Double-sharps were Dis, Ris, Misis, Fis, Sis, Lis, Tisis
Double-flats were Das, Ras, Ma, Fes, Sa, Les, Ta

I may have gotten two or three of these wrong (it's been years), but the basic system is as I've outlined it.

If nothing else, these syllables make great Scrabble words (no, they're not in the official dictionary--which is one reason I refuse to play by the official dictionary).

Andrew Stiller
Kallisti Music Press
http://www.kallistimusic.com/kallisti.html

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