To be quite clear:

In older versions of Finale, hyphens disappeared in one particular situation: when syllables got so close together that they are almost touching. This was useful in pieces where lyric spacing was very tight, and is accepted practice for certain editors. In 2006b a bug appeared with the following effect: hyphens stopped disappearing in this particular situation. Furthermore, when the distance between syllables got less than a certain value, the hyphens were were too far to the right.

This bug was still present in 2007 (original), but an effort was made to correct it in 2007a. The "correction" didn't work as it should: many syllables disappeared in situations where they should not. The minimum distance at which syllables start disappearing was set too high. Another effect of the "correction" was that a hyphen at the very end of a system was too close to the syllable preceding it.

In 2007c, the bug concerning the hyphen at the end of a system was corrected, but the disappearing syllables bug is still there: some hyphens just don't show up. It is worth stressing that turning Smart Hyphens on or off, or updating them, has no effect on this bug. This bug has been acknowledged by MakeMusic, but nobody can give any information as to if and when it might be corrected.

To sum up:
- From 2006b to 2007 (inclusive) all hyphens show, but hyphens between closely-spaced syllables are too far right. - In 2007a and 2007b, many (too many) hyphens disappear and a hyphen at the end of the system is too near to the syllable before it. - In 2007c, too many hyphens disappear, but a hyphen at the end of the system now displays correctly.

The bottom line: any serious work involving lyrics is best done in pre-2006b versions. If you have it, I would recommend going back to 2005b for work with lyrics.

Michael Cook


On 12 Mar 2007, at 12:44, Christopher Smith wrote:


On Mar 12, 2007, at 12:02 AM, Francis Fitzpatrick wrote:

Does anyone else still have disappearing hypens in lyrics in Finale 2007?
I met a couple of developers who deny the problem ever existed.

I think the problem is the hyphens DIDN'T disappear when the syllables got to close to each other, a useful feature that used to happen in a previous version. And now the hyphen is too far to the right when syllables are close, with no easy way to move it to a more central position.

There is another issue possible - that is, if you have turned off Automatic Update Hyphens and Word Extensions, as I have to save CPU load, then any time you edit a lyric, the hyphens and lyric extensions don't show up on that word until you go to the Edit Menu and hit Update Smart Word Extensions and Hyphens.
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