On Mar 22, 2007, at 9:52 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote:

On 22.03.2007 John Howell wrote:
Would anyone care to argue against that principle? And explain why? Without appealing to convention or other authority?

By the same logic you could start writing out minor keys with extra an extra raised 7th. So that G minor would have 2 flats and one sharp. There is a lot of reasons to do that, and only convention stops you.

Oh boy!  A big can of worms.

Part of the point here is that this is a language - a written one describing an aural tradition and aural communication. It has been my experience that all attempts to write down what is heard (spoken or played) are both woefully incomplete and often ambiguous. What we hear as tonality is no exception.

A Blues in Bb, which can be predominantly mixolydian, is written in two flats rather than three. (We like to preserve the leading tone in our idea of the "key".) Why we don't feel that way about G minor is one of those mysteries of convention where "logical" arguments can be made for more than one point of view. (Do optimists want F Sharp and pessimists F natural?)

I am trying to make sense of the numbering discussion, and can find compelling arguments for different methods. The numbers represent heard "form" to me, so I am inclined to practices that support that experience. From a purely graphic point of view, however, that is harder to support. YMMV

Chuck



So why don't we?

Sorry, John, but I really, really disagree with you, as far as any music in classical form is concerned. After that, do whatever works best.

Johannes
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