I would respectfully disagree. The sound (sans the "r") Marshall does
in fact espouse, the [3], when sung by any culture, if it is pure, to
my ear does not sound British or affected. I've listened really
carefully to my choirs and other American choirs sing most all styles
of music, and when Marshall's "rules" are followed, good things
happen, without affectation. At least this is my experience.
As I say, respectfully submitted.
Dean
On May 1, 2007, at 12:22 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote:
On Apr 30, 2007, at 5:02 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
Good point ... Marshall uses "learn" as the vowel sound model.
Dean
On Apr 30, 2007, at 1:46 PM, John Howell wrote:
Well, I don't know IPA, but could you describe what you mean by
[3] by analogy with other standard English words. Otherwise I
can't tell what you're suggesting.
John
At 12:38 PM -0700 4/30/07, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
On Apr 29, 2007, at 4:24 PM, John Howell wrote:
Madeleine Marshall informs, "Never sing "r" before a consonant.
(p. 9) So, she would have the singers pronounce bird as" b[3]
d." I.e., she would maintain that the ONLY vowel in said
example is [3], and that the "r" sound does not exist. This
approach has worked fine with all my choirs.
There is huge confusion going on here between the British and
American pronunciations of -er. In American, words like bird and
learn are pronounced with a vocalic r--that is, the letter r is
extended, the written vowel is suppressed, and the sound r *is* the
vowel.
In British, it is the r that is suppressed, and the vowel is
pronounced as a phoneme that simply doesn't exist in American, but
that is close to the vowel in "bush." Madeleine Marshall, quoted
above, prefers the British pronunciation--which I imagine would
sound a bit affected in an American text. Imagine:
"The most beautiful sound I evah heud: Maria (Maria Maria)
All the beautiful sounds in the weuld in a single weud: Maria
(Maria Maria)"
Andrew Stiller
Kallisti Music Press
http://www.kallistimusic.com/
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Of all hoaxes, the one which is my most vexing bête noire on a
quotidian basis, is the cereal box top which informs simply,
"Lift Tab to Open." Then, "To Close, Insert Tab Here ." Yeah,
right! In attempting to accomplish the first direction, not only
the tab but also the slit intended to accept the aforementioned
protuberance have both been irreparably disfigured and rendered
dysfunctional. This debacle is then amplified by the misbehavior
of the recalcitrant inner bag, which can not be unsealed sans
mangling it, and hence, will not disperse its contents without
exiting the box itself. All I wanted was a bowl of cereal.
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