Don Ellis, perhaps? Aaron J. Rabushka [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://users.waymark.net/arabushk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean M. Estabrook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [Finale] Conducting in 12/8
> Who was that jazz tpt. player, prominent back in the late sixties, > who used to do charts with meters like 87/4, etc? I think his first > name was Don ..... > > Dean > > On May 2, 2007, at 11:10 PM, Owain Sutton wrote: > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David W. Fenton > >> Sent: 02 May 2007 22:43 > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: Re: [Finale] Conducting in 12/8 > >> > >> > >> On 2 May 2007 at 17:04, Andrew Stiller wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> On May 2, 2007, at 2:41 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> I don't believe there is such a meter as 12 8ths to the > >> measure. We > >>>> have a meter called 12/8, but it's in 4, and notating in > >> that meter > >>>> implies certain things about the music. If those implications are > >>>> inappropriate for the music you're writing, then don't > >> use a meter > >>>> that implies that. > >>> > >>> That's a little too rigid. I can easily imagine a contemporary > >>> composer wishing to group, say, 3+2+3+4 eighth notes into a single > >>> measure. > >> > >> But that's not TWELVE BEATS -- it's 4 beats of varying duration. > >> > >>> If the context included constantly changing meters, all > >> with 8 on the > >>> bottom, then a measure of 12/8 would not, IMO, > >> automatically imply 4 > >>> dotted Q to any educated musician. > >> > >> Beaming can take care of a lot of this, yes. > >> > >> But what was described in the post was 12 undifferentiated beats. At > >> least, that was my understanding. > >> > >> And I say that such a thing does not exist in music played (or > >> perceived) by human beings. > >> > >> -- > >> David W. Fenton > > > > > > Damn. I thought the bar before the Glorifcation de L'Eule in the Rite > > was thirteen, but I checked the score and it's in fact eleven. So > > maybe > > twelve is the absolute cut-off beyond which we can't conceive or > > perceive of non-emphasised beats. (Wait, I just did perceive them > > in my > > faulty memory, didn't I? ;) ) > > > > And maybe the What Would Igor Do rule is actually the one to follow - > > changing ever bar between 3/8, 2/8, 3/8, 4/8 could indeed preserve the > > fliudity of rhythm which seems to be required in this particular > > situation. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Finale mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > Dean M. Estabrook > http://deanestabrook.googlepages.com/home > > >> Of all hoaxes, the one which is my most vexing bête noire on a > >> quotidian basis, is the cereal box top which informs simply, > >> "Lift Tab to Open." Then, "To Close, Insert Tab Here ." Yeah, > >> right! In attempting to accomplish the first direction, not only > >> the tab but also the slit intended to accept the aforementioned > >> protuberance have both been irreparably disfigured and rendered > >> dysfunctional. This debacle is then amplified by the misbehavior > >> of the recalcitrant inner bag, which can not be unsealed sans > >> mangling it, and hence, will not disperse its contents without > >> exiting the box itself. All I wanted was a bowl of cereal. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Finale mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > _______________________________________________ Finale mailing list [email protected] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
