Well, I hear your point, and can't rebut it, except to aver that I have a strong belief that a solid basic education in the arts, esp. music and moving to music does all the things I mentioned. Obviously, there are plenty of adverse forces in the world which create the sort of chaos you mention, and many reasons why a child exposed to the above mentioned education may evolve into a miscreant or flat out evil soul. I would simply stand by the premise that the training I mentioned does not inherently produce the bad guys in our society, and in fact, does more good than harm, so, IMHO, should not be discouraged. Let's not throw out a positive because negatives exist. Who knows, if Jesus and Ghandi, e.g., had had Orff and Kodaly training, they might have had even more modes of connecting with people and it might have made their work easier.

Dean


On May 4, 2007, at 11:33 AM, dhbailey wrote:

Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
Amen, and nothing more needs to be averred about the importance of training, beginning in the very early years, in solfege, movement, and playing of instruments as we find in Kodaly and Orff. That's the sort of background which not only produces exceptional musicianship on a broad level, but just plain well-rounded human beings. Trust me, the world would be a far better place, if only ............

Excuse me, but until fairly recently, Romania and other eastern European countries where the Kodaly and Orff methods originated and may be widely taught did not exactly serve as great role models for well-rounded human beings.

I'm sure that the countries' leaders who abused civil rights and their countries' economies stood next to all the other 10 year olds and learned the same musical stuff.

And it's important as well to remember that there are very well- rounded human beings who have served the interests of world peace and human kindness who never heard of Kodaly and Orff methods. Ghandi, the Dalai Lama, Jesus, Baha'ulla, are just a few such examples.

The two do not necessarily go hand-in-hand (Kodaly/Orff training and well-rounded human beings who make the world a better place).

And while the Romanian student in the example may have been able to play in odd meters and been amazed at the other students' difficulties at first, before being taught, the example doesn't also explain that while Romanian 10-year olds my be able to handle such rhythms easily, before they've learned them as folk dances I'm sure they would have been bewildered also.

The example does nothing more than show us that once someone is taught a complex rhythm or meter it becomes easy.

But then we all knew that. :-)

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