At 2:33 PM -0400 5/4/07, dhbailey wrote:
Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
Amen, and nothing more needs to be averred about the importance of training, beginning in the very early years, in solfege, movement, and playing of instruments as we find in Kodaly and Orff. That's the sort of background which not only produces exceptional musicianship on a broad level, but just plain well-rounded human beings. Trust me, the world would be a far better place, if only ............


Excuse me, but until fairly recently, Romania and other eastern European countries where the Kodaly and Orff methods originated and may be widely taught did not exactly serve as great role models for well-rounded human beings.

David, I'm surprised. Certainly Orff, Kodaly, or both may have been adopted in a good many countries, including the U.S.A., but surely you knew that Kodály was Hungarian, that he did his ethnomusicological work in Hungary, developed his methods for music education in Hungary, and was apparently as good a politician as he was a composer. He convinced the communist government that his educational methods, based on the "musical mother tongue of the people" (i.e. folksong), was desirable because it was specifically based on the "music of the people." And I don't know about 10-year-old Romanians, but 6th graders in Hungary have better musical skills than many college sophomores in the U.S.!

Orff, of course, was German, working primarily in Berlin. His educational methods are quite different because his educational goals were quite different.

And I would suggest that music--AS A COOPERATIVE GROUP ACTIVITY--teaches many valuable life lessons and DOES affect the development and personalities of children who study it. It develops a great many life skills that are claimed by athletics, as a matter of fact, with the singular exception that at the end of a concert there never has to be a loser!!!!!

And while the Romanian student in the example may have been able to play in odd meters and been amazed at the other students' difficulties at first, before being taught, the example doesn't also explain that while Romanian 10-year olds my be able to handle such rhythms easily, before they've learned them as folk dances I'm sure they would have been bewildered also.

I missed that example, since this thread has gone wildly off topic and I've been deleting messages unread, but surely there's no question that the different rhythms inherent in different languages, not to mention the folksongs and folk dances, do teach rhythms that do not exist in other languages and cultures. Remember the instructions to a drummer playing Greek wedding music: "Strong back-beat on 7 and 11!!"

John


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