Couldn't get back on this right away--in the middle of final exams, grading papers, etc.

I would never accuse Mark of doing this deliberately, because I don't believe he would ever do so, but in the message below he carried what I actually said to a "reductio ad absurdam," setting up a sort of straw man, which I'm afraid others picked up on, assumed that was what I meant, and have been piling on accordingly.

OK, what do I (and what do we) mean by "stylization"? That question can't be answered accurately without specifying the basic style in the first place, and assuming that the word means the same thing to different people is asking for misunderstanding. Are we talking about traditional classical, contemporary classical, jazz (in any of a number of different flavors), middle of the road pop, country, gospel (in different flavors), folk (traditional or contemporary), easy rock, hard rock, heavy metal--fill in the rest of your own list. Sinatra stylizes, Reba stylizes, Vince Gill stylizes, Ella stylizes, but they all do it differently. Just promise to identify where you're coming from, OK?

To answer Mark's last question first, I don't really have a "philosophy" for solo music, but I sure do for ensemble music because I've been arranging for different kinds of vocal ensembles (and their accompaniments) for 'round about 57 years now, I'm made my mistakes, I've (sometimes) learned from them enough not to make them any more, and I like to think that I know what I'm doing. And to define the style, call it mainstream pop with flavorings of jazz, country, legit, and anything else that seems appropriate at the moment. Although I can and have composed "serious" choral music, it isn't really my thing. Making ensembles work is. For about 20 years I wrote for the male voices in my quartet, The Four Saints, with accompaniments that had to work for anything from piano trio to the "Tonight Show" Band or the Cincinnati Symphony. For more years I wrote for women's voices when I directed The Belles of Indiana and their jazz-rock showband at I.U. in the '70s, and when I moved here I learned to write effectively for mixed voices and soloists with a 12-piece showband in the '80s. I've also composed and arranged for church choirs in the '90s, most recently in 2001.

If I DO have a philosophy for soloists, especially for students, it's pretty simple: Don't just imitate the guy or gal on the CD you like so much. Their stylization and ornamentation is what fits THEIR voices. Find what works for you in YOUR voice! The market for imitation Kenny Rogerses or Barbra Steisands is pretty much limited to Holiday Inn lounges, where the hours are lousy and the pay isn't that great. It's really amazing how many simply can't understand what those words mean!

OK, so what kind of anal, unreasonable notation am I talking about when it comes to ensemble stylization? How about really weird, arcane things like anticipations, which it's my responsibility to specify; delays or suspensions, likewise; fine tuning the melodic rhythm to match the word stresses when they are different on repeated phrases. Indicating the places to breathe--or NOT to breathe. In other words--or at least in the way I look at it--doing the things that a soloist would do (or not do) very naturally, but that an ensemble would not, at least not together. That does not seem to me especially unreasonable.

Examples: Notating anticipations to give a jazz-like feel--I could cite an arrangement of "Mountain Greenery" that my quartet recorded back in about '62. Notating delays and suspensions--an arrangement for my 8-voice college "Studio Singers" of "It's A Lazy Afternoon" in which I specified and notated the laziness, in overlapping overtracks, very exactly, from the mid-'80s. Improving word scansion--an arrangement of "Coming To America," which is very repetitive, to both improve and increase the power of the text setting, originally arranged for my college show group in the early '80s, revised for singers in a community chorus in the mid-'90s, in my thoughts right now as I add string parts to the arrangement for soloists, chorus and concert band.

Now in many cases I've been the director as well, and I've had to teach what I notated to my performers, and sometimes I've been right and it sounds exactly as I meant it to, and sometimes they just couldn't get the hang of it and I went with what they were more comfortable with. And yes, those things got worked out in rehearsal, but with student performers it never came down to telling them, "OK, guys, you work it out." It was part of my job to teach them how to realize styles. In my professional quartet, it was always a matter of consensus, no matter what I specified.

Oh, and with my show groups, I often DID specify the attire, or at least whether a given song or medley needed to be costumed, or I would suggest ideas to my wardrobe staff and let them work on it. A designer I'm not; a producer I am!

It would be just as stupid to over-specify things for a show group as it would be to do it for a traditional legit group. So? I never called for that. (Although we've done quite a few pieces recently in our community string orchestra that I really, REALLY wish the composer had specified dynamics before, and especially after, crescendos and decrescendos. The information simply isn't there, or appears to be contradictory, so we can't reproduce his intentions without guessing.)

My biggest challenges: (1) Getting a choir of white Presbyterians to swing! (They didn't do too badly, actually.) (2) Getting a community band to play in reasonable jazz style. (Don't ask!!!)

John


At 8:47 PM -0700 5/6/07, Mark D Lew wrote:
On May 6, 2007, at 7:44 PM, John Howell wrote:

When it's a question of ensemble stylization, perhaps we do disagree. If there's one principle I think most on this list agree on, it's that unless an aleatoric approach is part of the concept, the notation should be as exact and unambiguous as possible.

But you can't mean that literally. it's always possible to make your score even more precise. You can give an exact metronome mark for every change of tempo, including every ritard. You can litter the score with dynamic markings, at the top and bottom of every hairpin. You can spell out every lyric phonetically in order to insist on the desired regional accent. You could pursue this as far as you like, even well into the realm of the absurd, specifying the required size of the hall, attire of the performers, or whatnot.

I'm not arguing for sloppy ambiguity, but specificity in the score yields diminishing returns and there comes a point where it is no longer helpful. That point may not be the same for all of us, and on that point I think you and I probably do differ, but I think that difference is one of degree.

And I still don't understand why you would have one philosophy for solo music and another for ensemble.

mdl
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