Mark,

Please. There's a rather important difference between Schwarzenegger quoting one-liners from his own films, and quoting a line he never actually said in any of his films -- one which in fact comes from a Saturday Night Live parody of his outsized public persona.

What Schwarzenegger said would be like Dick Cheney unironically punctuating a sentence with "waugh!", or Bill O'Reilly unironically adding a fake fireplace to his set, and hanging a portrait of himself holding a portrait of himself above it.

By "without a trace of irony or self-consciousness," I don't mean he didn't use the phrase deliberately. Of course he did. But he betrayed no awareness of the fact that "don't be a girlie-man" was originally a catch-phrase intended to make fun of him.

Cheers,

- Darcy
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On 02 Jun 2007, at 12:57 AM, Mark D Lew wrote:

On May 29, 2007, at 10:38 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:

Schwarzenegger picked it up from the Hans & Franz skit on SNL. So yes, they were satirizing Schwarzenegger by throwing around the term "girly-man," and then Schwarzenegger appropriated it and started actually using the term himself, apparently without a trace of irony or self-consciousness.

Oh no, it was entirely self-conscious. From your characterization of the comment, which rings very false, I can only guess that you heard about this second-hand after all the spinning and counterspinning.

It was summer of 2004 and the Governor was trying to pass his budget which was stalled in the state legislature. In a high- profile speech he called the legislators "girlie-men" for not getting the job done. In the same speech he called upon the voters to be "the Terminators" in November. Both phrases were used pointedly (and somewhat unnaturally), and it was clearly a deliberate and premeditated attempt to draw media attention to the speech.

mdl
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