I must admit, that I was referring to a musicological study I happened across a million years ago in grad school. To the best of my memory, the gist of it was that the human propensity towards a V-I relationship was so global as to be a-cultural in nature. I can't recall how the "testing" was accomplished, but I came away with the impression that if one were to insert one's self into even the most primitive of cultures, that the singing centered around the V-I relationship and the 3-2-1 melodic relationship. I realize this is all so vague as to be essentially useless, but somehow, it got planted in my brain.

Dean


On Jun 2, 2007, at 4:26 AM, dhbailey wrote:

shirling & neueweise wrote:
There just seems to be an inborn need to hear a tonic chord sounded after a dominant.
and saying such a phrase really indicates more about the boundaries of the musical education of the person saying it -- with what period it begins and ends -- than about music and musical perception. for example, did victoria have this "inborn need"? what about the gregorian monks? the "need" only arises once the identity / role of each chord and protocols of the day are (made) clear to a listener, which is only possible when there is a cultural reference and context surrounding the chords. and this particular progression is only relevant -- and varyingly -- to the predominant models over an approximately 200-year period in western european "studied" music. i think the original phrase could be reworded: i seem to prefer to hear a tonic chord sounding after a dominant largely because of my own personal musical education and background and the various musical interests i have developed over the years.


It's the age-old nature-vs-nurture argument which is impossible of resolution since we can't ever know for sure. Perhaps those cultures which don't use the dominant-to-tonic harmonic motion simply haven't discovered it yet. Certainly people who come from cultures which lack that relationship respond favorably to music which has it as a strong central characteristic.

It sure seems that people from cultures which have not had that relation in their music have swarmed to Western music (I'm thinking of the Japanese and the Chinese and the Indian cultures). While it's easy to understand that the planet's fascination with pop/rock music is fed by the pop-music industry, the great adoption and learning of Western classical music is less easy to explain. And that attraction to Western classical music happened long before the pop-music industry grew to its current collossal size and power.

With potential incomes from Western classical music, on average, not very high, it can't be purely economic reasoning which drives people who grew up in these cultures to push their children into fervid study of violin and piano.

What drove Chairman Mao (or whichever of his advisors was behind it) to push the Cultural Revolution with such an iron fist, if not the fact that he realized that his people were responding so strongly to Western music, especially Western classical music?

I'm not coming down strong on either side of this argument, I just think it's not as clear cut as either side is claiming. There's something about Western classical music, with its predominating dominant-to-tonic harmonic resolution which speaks to people who have a many-centuried (millenial) native musical culture of their own which lacks that dominant-to-tonic relationship.

I think it may be a bit more "natural" than many would accept, and I also agree that when one's culture is hammered with such a thing for so long, it's hard to separate what's a natural reaction and what's a cultural-indoctrination reaction.

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