On Jun 6, 2007, at 7:36 PM, Mark D Lew wrote:

<< One verse starts a system with the lyric "through". This word is
centred under the note it is associated with. No problem.

Another verse, same note, has the word "go". This word is LEFT-
ALIGNED with "through" above it, so that it is way too far to the
left. This happens every new system, though it looks worse with
"through" and "go" than it does with "his" and "we".

Is it normal to want all first lyrics in new systems to left-align? >>

Yes, this is fairly normal. It is not universal, however. There are different opinions on this. You'll have to decide which style you like.

It has been my observation that those who prefer left-aligning syllables that start a melisma also like to left-align the first syllable of a verse. Personally, I lean strongly toward centering (due in part to my background in opera and thus familiarity with 100-year-old scores).


Yes, checking some scores, I see that. But this is EVERY system, not just beginning verses. Plus, the exaggeration brought on by the difference between "through" and "go" just looks wrong.


My preferred style is to center the first syllable of a verse, but if there are more than a couple of verses I will add "1.", "2." "3." etc to the beginning of the verses. These numerals are themselves aligned (and thus different distances from their first syllable), which restores the sense of left-justification to the verses as a whole. I typically enter the numerals as a text block, because that's how I did it once upon a time and I've got one set up to align perfectly, but you'll probably have an easier time doing them as lyrics, coded as separate syllables. You can attach them to a rest if you have one, or else attach them to the first note and drag the whole stack left. (To keep them from getting mixed up with the real syllables, put them in separate verse boxes or maybe on another layer.)

Yes, vertically aligning verse numbers is perfectly right, to my mind as well. I can attach them as lyrics to the first syllable by entering a hard space (Mac opt-spacebar) between the number and the first lyric. Or if I REALLY need to move them around, text expressions.



<< It is only at the first lyric of each system that this happens; other
places are centred (or shifted right in the case of melismas, as they
should be.) This looks bad to me. Is there a way to change them
without dragging each syllable manually (six verses, twelve or so
systems... oy!) >>

Should be easy to fix. I'm at work right now, so I can't try it out, but somewhere in the lyric menu there's a code for justification or alignment. One does the syllables relative to each other, and one does the whole stack relative to the note, but I forget which is which. Pick the right one and set it to center then you should be good.


Got it! Document Options>Lyrics, it's right there, along with a whole host of useful options. I can get to it through the Lyric Menu as well, under Lyric Options. All is hunky dory now. I changed "syllables at start of system" justification to "centre" and everything looks right now.



P.S. I know this isn't what you're asking, but keep in mind: If you've got more than three verses stacked it starts getting hard for singers to read. I understand there are often other considerations, like page/space constrictions, but if it's feasible you should consider repeating the music on another page so as to have no more than three verses stacked.


Yes, I completely agree under most circumstances. This, however, is a mounted plaque that is being presented to a departing music director, and so has to be restricted to one page, and isn't likely to have to be sight-read by a choir. I can't just put the extra verses at the end as a text block, either, because the scan doesn't match exactly, so everything HAS to be laid in against the music. The pomp of the circumstance is also why I am being more picky than I usually am for the average quickie choir arrangement (though I STILL normally try to make everything legible and nice, as much as I can under the usual time restraints!)

Thanks for all the info, and the comments, Mark. I knew you'd come through for me!

Christopher




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