David W. Fenton wrote:
$On 15 Oct 2007 at 15:21, dhbailey wrote:

Any combination of computer keyboard, mouse and midi-keyboard is possible in Sibelius, just as in Finale. The one control which Sibelius lacks that Finale has is the ability to use the up/down cursor keys to place the pitch. And if that's a deal-breaker for somebody, that's fine, there's no reason to switch. I certainly won't try to tell anybody they should move to Sibelius. I will say that using a midi keyboard along with the numpad layouts in Sibelius, I was amazed to find that I am as fast at entering music in Sibelius as I am using Speedy Entry in Finale, and far faster than I have ever been able to be using Simple Entry in Finale.

My problem with the Sibelius approach is the assumption behind its design that you will put all attributes of a note on it during the initial entry step. I deduce that this is the assumption because it's much more difficult to apply articulations and expressions and the like in Sibelius after note entry than it is in Finale.

I don't find that at all in Sibelius. I have an easy time applying articulations after the fact. My work flow in Sibelius is very much like my work-flow in Finale always has been:

enter the notes
map out the road-map (repeats, DC, DS, Coda) -- occasionally I'll do that first so I'll have all the measures ready to fill up. I do that the same in both Finale and Sibelius.
enter the articulations
enter the dynamics and tempos and other expressions



I am very fast in Finale with Speedy and the Midi keyboard getting the notes and rhythms in. I then go back and add everything else in one pass. I tried this approach in Sib4 and found it involved a whole helluva lot of mousing and switching keypad layouts, as opposed to Finale where the only switching was between tools, and everything else was with metatools (well, most everything).

Am I missing something about Sibelius?

Or is this yet another case of the abominable practice of designing a UI on the assumption that your users will use a macro program to create their own shortcuts?


A Macro program isn't necessary with Sibelius -- everything can be assigned within the program itself, using the alphanumeric keys in combination with shift or alt or ctrl (or any combination of the three modifier keys).

You want a metatool to put staccatos? program ctrl-shft-. You want to apply staccato to non-continuous notes in Sibelius? ctrl-click the notes you want and then either use the numpad key or your pre-defined shortcut and you have them all in place, something Finale can't do.

One thing that Sibelius offers that Finale doesn't is this ability to completely define the keyboard so you can have all the shortcuts where you want them. And with the whole alphanumeric keyboard (including the punctuation keys) plus the modifier keys (7 different combinations of those) gives you a whole lot of "metatools."

There's a long-time Sibelius user on that list who has reprogrammed ALL the numpad keys to the alphanumeric keyboard so he never has to deal with paging through the numpad palettes.

How many times on this list have people complained about not being able to program their own shortcuts in Finale and how many have had to resort to external macro programs? Like Sibelius or hate it, this ability to reprogram so many of the keystrokes means that even though the UI was designed with one particular keyboard approach, it is by no means etched in stone like so much of Finale is. Look in Sibelius under File/Preferences on the Menus and Shortcuts tab and see all that can be personalized.

I'd love to see a similar customization functionality built into Finale.

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David H. Bailey
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