On Nov 22, 2007, at 1:02 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:

Barry Manilow uses the half-step up modulation on the last chorus in practically every tune. It's true there's nothing inherently wrong with that device, but when it becomes a crutch, an easy way to give a boost to the end of every single tune, it gets real old real fast.

Stevie Wonder often ends with an upwards modulation but he mixes it up -- sometimes going up a whole step instead of a half step, or going up a series of half steps. And since he doesn't do it every damn time, it's a lot more effective.

Cheers,

- Darcy

On 22 Nov 2007, at 8:32 AM, Christopher Smith wrote:


On Nov 22, 2007, at 8:01 AM, Mark D Lew wrote:

On Nov 21, 2007, at 5:57 AM, Christopher Smith wrote:

Barry Manilow (over)uses the previous tonic to become the new leading tone when he modulates up a semitone, which is widely considered to be tasteless these days.

Really? That's tasteless? It seems perfectly fine to me. Rather ordinary, true, but what's wrong with ordinary?

Heh, heh! It's overused, and anything overused gets old and by extension, tasteless. "In the Mood" is perfectly fine tune, but overplaying has taken the shine off it.


Is good old II-V-I tasteless now, too?

Depends on your circle. 8-)

Christopher


Actually (in reply to myself) I find myself looking for alternatives to the II V I cadence more and more these days, even in musically conservative situations. I just don't want my stuff to date as quickly as some things I see, and finding a workable solution outside the usual solutions may take more time, but it usually pays off.

I find myself mining for cadences in Ravel, Prokofieff and Shostakovitch, who seem to have a real fresh bent for great cadences.

However, in defence of the II-V-I, I still get knocked out by Dizzy Gillespie's "Con Alma", where he manages to get seamlessly from Emajor in bar 1 to Eb major in bar seven in the most natural way possible. I wish all my two-fives sounded as fresh. Wayne Shorter's early stuff is great for that, too.

Stevie Wonder, as Darcy mentioned, manages to make the unusual sound usual, and the usual sound like nobody else has ever done it. "Sir Duke" the chorus is one of my favourite examples, where he goes in four bars

A | Ebm7 | D | D/E E7

Wacky second chord, eh? But perfect!

Christopher


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