On Sat, June 21, 2008 6:15 pm, Andrew Stiller wrote:
> I addressed this in a posting two  days ago to which there  has been no
> response whatever. Let me repeat": 8vb had *zero* presence in the
> classical world until about ten years ago, if that.

Andrew is usually right, so I went back to my dusty boxes and checked
manuscripts from 1967 until I started using Finale in 1993.

I never used "8va" for transposition down. But my manuscripts had three
versions: "8vab" (used in just one manuscript); just plain "8" for up or
down with a starting hook as well as an ending hook (my most frequent
choice); and "8" with an arrow following it to indicate up or down (used
in two manuscripts).

It appears that 8vb had been so completely logical that it had altered my
own memories of what I used.

Tip o' the osmiroid again to Andrew.

Dennis

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