I'm going to give finale lessons to a colleague over the phone. I've done this before mac to mac and it works well. However I'm not familiar with the pc. They don't have floating pallets and the command Key. Do I need to borrow a pc or are the differences not a big deal?
Thanks Mark McCarron [email protected] wrote: >My method doesn't change. I assume the horn's key signature is C if it doesn't >have one, and if it's Horn in E, and the notes written are C D E, that's the >1st, 2nd and 3rd degrees of E major, or E F# G#. Never fails (though it gets a >little slow in 16th note passages...) > >Christopher > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Ryan <[email protected]> >Date: Monday, November 22, 2010 2:56 pm >Subject: Re: {Spam} Re: [Finale] OT: historical use of C clefs for voice parts >To: [email protected] > >> What method do you use if the horn part doesn't have a key signature? >> >> On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 11:01 AM, >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > I must say, I transpose by solfège (scale degree.) If I see a >> horn part, >> > say for F horn with no key signature, I see a C then I know >> it's the first >> > scale degree of the key I'm in, or F. If I see a D#, then I >> know it's the >> > raised 2nd degree of the key I'm in, so G#. No transposition >> can throw me >> > this way! (if I get the octave correct!) >> > >> > While I read alto and tenor clefs almost as well as bass or >> treble, I have >> > so little experience with the other clefs that it would slow >> me down >> > immeasurably. I have nothing but respect for those among you >> who read them >> > easily! >> > >> > christopher >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: John Howell <[email protected]> >> > Date: Monday, November 22, 2010 1:17 pm >> > Subject: Re: {Spam} Re: [Finale] OT: historical use of C clefs >> for voice >> > parts >> > To: "David H. Bailey" <[email protected]>, >> > [email protected] >> > >> > > At 6:46 AM -0500 11/22/10, David H. Bailey wrote: >> > > > >> > > >What I meant by "in reverse" is that if I'm looking at a >> > > written F >> > > >in an F horn part, I can use the mezzo-soprano clef to get the >> > > >concert pitch note (Bb). But what if I'm looking at a >> > > concert pitch >> > > >score, how do I figure out what note the F horn should play, >> > > using >> > > >clefs? >> > > >> > > Ahhh. Thanks! That makes good sense. I guess >> > > my confusion was >> > > because I almost never look at a concert pitch score if I >> have a >> > > choice! >> > > >> > > >So I'm looking at a printed Bb but need to find a clef that >> > > will >> > > >show me that as an F. I guess the baritone clef would do >> > > the trick. >> > > >> > > To avoid confusion, let's assume that you mean concert Bb4, >> > > which >> > > should be notated as an F5 (5th line) for horn in F. (Or >> > > to be >> > > perfectly clear, should be notated on the top line, since part >> > > of the >> > > confusion is in ASSUMING note values for the lines and spaces, >> > > and >> > > those CHANGE with each alternate clef.) So no, baritone >> > > clef (F3 on >> > > the 3rd line) wouldn't work, since the 5th line would then be >> > > C4, not >> > > Bb3. The problem is that both notes are on lines, so you >> > > can't use >> > > any C clef (since F will be on a space). In >> > > fact I can't make my >> > > mind work that way, so I'm not sure it CAN be done with the >> > > available >> > > clefs. >> > > >> > > >But along with all this clef stuff, one needs to also remember >> > > the >> > > >"add 1 flat when going from F-horn to concert pitch" and >> > > "remove 1 >> > > >flat when going from concert pitch to F horn." That makes >> > > all the >> > > >various rules regarding the use of clefs pretty daunting to >> > > learn >> > > >and remember. >> > > >> > > LEARNING the system, and learning to THINK in the different >> > > clefs >> > > rather than having to stop and think and decode them, is indeed >> > > daunting. So is most everything in music, if you stop to >> > > think about >> > > it, until AFTER you've learned it. THEN, and only >> then, is >> > > it easy >> > > to work with. I'm about halfway there with the movable >> > > clefs, since >> > > I didn't learn them until grad school, and that's really much >> > > too >> > > late. >> > > >> > > > >> > > >I find it much easier to think of transposition in a more fixed >> > > >manner: F on an F horn equals Bb in concert pitch. >> > > Doesn't matter >> > > >which end of that statement I'm coming from, since the equality >> > > >works both ways. And it doesn't matter whether the Bb is >> > > because of >> > > >the key signature or because of an accidental, the equality >> > > still >> > > >applies. >> > > >> > > Yes, I think most of us think that way. But the clef >> > > system wasn't >> > > originated to make transposition easy. That's just a >> > > useful side >> > > effect. It was originated in order to keep most of the >> > > notes in >> > > Guido's system of chant notation within the staff, to make it >> > > easier >> > > for monks copying music with feathers!!! >> > > >> > > John >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music >> > > Virginia Tech Department of Music >> > > College of Liberal Arts & Human Sciences >> > > Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 >> > > Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 >> > > (mailto:[email protected]) >> > > http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html >> > > >> > > "We never play anything the same way once." 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