Hi Andrew, Ah -- I hadn't considered the possibility of multiple voices on a single staff. You have a point there.
Cheers, - DJA ----- WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 14 Jan 2011, at 11:18 AM, Andrew Moschou wrote: > Yes, and the main reason is that a centred semibreve rest is practically > identical to a semibreve rest on the second semibreve of a 4/2 bar. This is > extremely confusing in contrapuntal writing, especially (but not > exclusively) if multiple (two or three) voices are written on a single > staff. > > Andrew > > > On 15 January 2011 02:23, Robert Patterson <rob...@robertgpatterson.com>wrote: > >> I sent a message about this from my iPhone but I think the list's spam >> filter must have caught it. Ross suggests that industry practice >> (obviously, >> when he was writing) was to use double-whole rests for 4/2 and longer >> meters. I would further extrapolate that quadruple whole (meaning a thick >> line that spans both 2nd and 3rd space) should be used for 4/1 up to 8/1, >> but that's a separate discussion. >> >> You can see an example in the *score* for the Brahms Requiem. All the empty >> bars in 4/2 meter have centered double-whole rests. Interestingly, the >> parts >> do not use double-whole rests. Rather, in those cases where there is a >> single bar of rest, a whole rest is used with a "1" centered over the >> staff. >> The "1" is never omitted, and that is an extremely significant detail, but >> that's not what I'm here to talk about. >> >> To my eye, a whole rest in a 4/2 bar, even if it is centered, is ambiguous. >> That is because it also appears as a half-bar rest in that meter. In no >> shorter meter can a whole rest appear as a partial bar rest. Even in 6/2 or >> 7/4, Ross prescribes the use of half rests for all sub-parts of the bar. >> (Actually, Ross is silent about 7/4, but I am extrapolating from his >> comments.) >> >> Obviously, ymmv, but as evidenced by the Brahms example, double-whole rests >> were the industry standard for 4/2 meter in 19th century engraving. >> >> On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 9:26 AM, Darcy James Argue <djar...@earthlink.net >>> wrote: >> >>> Really? Why? What is ambiguous about a centered whole rest in an empty >>> measure of 4/2? >>> >>> If a whole rest appears in a non-empty measure, it won't be centered -- >> it >>> will be attached to a beat. And, you know, there will also be notes in >> the >>> measure. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> - DJA >>> ----- >>> WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org >>> >>> >>> >>> On 14 Jan 2011, at 4:13 AM, Andrew Moschou wrote: >>> >>>> On 14 January 2011 08:54, Darcy James Argue <djar...@earthlink.net> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Centered whole rests are fine (what could be less ambiguous?) for >> empty >>>>> measures in any meter. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Not in 4/2. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Finale mailing list >>>> Finale@shsu.edu >>>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Finale mailing list >>> Finale@shsu.edu >>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> > > > > -- > Andrew Moschou > Secretary > Adelaide University Choral Society > _______________________________________________ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale _______________________________________________ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
