This thread could have some heavy quoting, so please forgive me just replying 
to the general thread.

The players, which were referred to as ringers in the reports coming to me, 
were college students or good amateurs called in to fill empty chairs with down 
to one rehearsal before concerts. The regular tuba row was one small CC on the 
Eb part and a larger CC on the BBb part, whereas the ringers with their 
generally large tubas steered directly for the Eb part, because that was what 
they could read.

Maybe a heretic, I am not insanely attracted to all of the modern brass band 
literature, as I find much of it is kind of artificial music with lots of 
effects and no real core. I have liked some of the classical transcriptions 
better. And from there I will take a sample: the bass lines from Berlioz’s 
Hungarian March, which I have played on baritone, bass trombone, Eb tuba, and 
BBb tuba over a period of maybe 30 years. The original is in A, whereas the 
band transcription according to my memory is in Bb or maybe Ab, at any rate 
only a semitone offset, so that the octaves pretty much are the original ones. 
The euphonium, baritone, and trombones play the original cello, bassoon, and 
trombone lines. The BBb basses play the original double bass lines. All very 
satisfying. The Eb basses cannot play any of these lines without leaving the 
mainstream band range, so they have a lot of odd line breaks where they jump 
from the cello line to the double bass line and
 vice versa. And when they double the cello line their sound tends being on the 
fat side, at least clarity is not their main contribution. Especially not if 
the Eb played on a large 19" Eb tuba, or even worse, on CC or BBb tubas.

I read Denis Wright’s book on band scoring about 40 years ago. And I remember 
his warning against writing especially the second baritone below the Eb basses, 
as that would not promote clarity. I rather would turn the perspective around 
and warn again writing the tubas too high, when they carry a bass line. For 
more soloist purposes high tuba playing may work very well. 

Some reports on human hearing say that the ability to discern intervals smaller 
than a fourth diminished considerably, when both notes are below F3 (the lowest 
F of a tenor singer). I often break that rule, if a melody has middle C or the 
Bb just below as the final note. Then I put a full triad below it. But one way 
of promoting clarity, in my opinion, is about emphasizing the contrabass octave 
over the bass octave.

If a view back in brass band history may be allowed: The brass band 
instrumentation very heavily is based on Adolphe Sax’s family of Saxhorns as it 
was brought to England by French makers like Besson and Distin, the latter 
moving on to the US at a later point of time. The soprano was in high Eb, the 
mezzo/alto was the Bb flugelhorn, the tenor was what all sane people today call 
an alto horn, the Saxhorn baryton was the small bore British style baritone, 
the Saxhorn basse was a slightly differently wrapped non-compensating 
equivalent of the euphonium (valves sitting above the top bow)/ And the Saxhorn 
contrebasse was the equivalent of the modern Eb tuba (I own a Besson 3+1P 
non-compensating Eb tuba from 1870, which has a very small bore, a lot of 
cylindrical tubing, and a very compact sound, rather a baritone taken a down a 
fifth). Apparently the Saxhorn family originally had no BBb contrabass member. 

That is reflected in old British brass band scores, where the Bb (sic!) bass is 
placed on the stave above the Eb bass. Geoffrey Brand calls this Bb bass a 
glorified euphonium. There are odd voicings in old brass band scores, which try 
to use acoustical effects to compensate for the lack of a true contrabass tuba. 
Often euphonium parts have a divisi on big chords, where the 2nd player plays 
the fifth of the chord a fourth below the 1st player. The purpose is to add a 
fifth to the Eb tuba’s root note thereby creating the illusion (by the effect 
of difference notes) of a contrabass note one octave further down.

Oddly enough these times of BBb tuba shortness appear to have returned to 
England. BBb tubas have become very unpopular due to their weight. Some local 
bands may have 3 Eb basses and no BBb basses. A British tuba friend was asked 
by 4 top grade bands to join them on BBb tuba for a very recent 
marching/standing concert competition. He thanked no to them all, as he didn’t 
want to ruin his back. Already 18 years ago when a British military band played 
a concert on my local town square during fall exercises, I asked one of the two 
tubists, why they brought two Eb tubas rather than the regulation one Eb and 
one BBb. You have to march those devils, was the reply. In British military 
scores both tubas play from the same bass clef concert part with a lot of 
octave divisi intended for Eb and BBb basses respectively. When no BBb 
instruments are available, one of the Eb players plays the lower octave 
whenever possible.

There even are interesting aspects in the American usage of Bb, Eb, and BBb 
basses. Early Sousa marches before and right after 1880 don’t expect the 
availability of BBb basses, and there is a high Bb bass presented musically 
identical in Bb treble clef as well as in bass clef concert parts. Eventually 
this part develops into the 3rd or bass trombone part. The US Library of 
Congress has a very interesting, but not comprehensive, online collection of 
Sousa marches in the form of scanned parts. I have entered some of these into 
rough Finale files just to have a look into Sousa’s toolbox.

Sorry for the ranting, but these topics have my interest. Slightly up in range 
I made a bit fun of international term confusions already ten years ago. Sadly 
the storage server has a narrower ASCII-interpretation than my Mac, but some 
points would still come through. One not so familiar one is: Ròg!

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Klaus
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