On 14 Apr 2014, at 1:00 PM, Darcy Argue wrote:

> Right. To be clear, these players are only talking about C clefs in new 
> music. And I actually think most of this is actually a proxy complaint for 
> "too many ill-considered clef changes." 

This is the crux, as Robert Patterson noted. And "ill-considered" means 
understanding what each player is accustomed to seeing. It isn't just clefs, 
but also when to use ledger lines and when to use 8va/vb. And when/where to 
change clefs. Cellists, for example, will not want tenor clef much below the 
staff midline A, and especially not lots of ledger lines above the staff in 
tenor clef. But for passages that lie between that midline A and a tenth above, 
tenor is what they want, especially if the passage leans towards the top of 
that range (towards the bottom of that range, and bass clef is better). I am 
also talking about NYC new music players here. And treble clef for cello really 
shouldn't happen below midline B. When I see "middle" C in treble clef for 
cello, I know there will be complaints. Likewise, rapid back and forth among 
clefs. 

As for ledger lines versus 8va/vb, again, that's instrument by instrument. 
Flutists are very happy with five or six ledger lines above the staff, but for 
extended passages in and above that range, violinists and pianists tell me 
they'd rather see 8va. For very low notes, tuba players are happy with five or 
six ledger lines, but pianists want 8vb, even for single notes. But, generally, 
8va/vb rapidly changing back and forth to loco, or used for passages that go 
much into the "normal" reading range, are clumsy. 

As long as I've been doing this, when I have even the slightest doubt about a 
particular instrument's preference for clefs or 8va/vb, I still ask an 
experienced player. There is a norm for each instrument, but no universal 
all-instruments rule except "avoid ill-considered" choices. What I see as a 
teacher is students assuming their own instrument's expectations will apply, 
and that's where ill-considered choices happen. 

This whole thing is part of the craft of composing. The score and parts that 
give people well-considered choices in this regard will earn the composer 
respect right away, and result in a better performance, happier experience. 
Even one or two poor choices will create, for the players, a seed of doubt 
about all the other choices. The performance will suffer, and so will the 
composer's reputation.

This applies also to ill-considered choices in use of accidentals, bad page 
turns, poor spacing choices, bad decisions about meters or score layout, and 
many, many other things that an audience will never see.  But those are whole 
other discussions.

David Froom

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