some of you folks need to buy a sense of humor! Raymond Horton Composer, Arranger Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016
On Dec 9, 2016 9:38 AM, "Christopher Smith" <[email protected]> wrote: > I don’t use parenthesized courtesy accidentals any more, either, because > of lack of legibility. Yet, even a non-parenthesized one is kind of a > confirmation of “yes this note is meant” since it would otherwise be > superfluous. > > I guess all I’m saying is we’re writing for humans, not a rigorous, > all-seeing machine. I see no problem with notating that way. I learned that > partly from you! > > C > > > > On Dec 9, 2016, at 9:24 AM, SN jef chippewa < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > >> On issues of notation, I always take everything jef says as if it was > gospel. > > > > are you sure that is a good idea? ;-) > > > > Yes. No winky-face. > > > > for new music i never use parentheses for accis. > > if there is a need, i put the full-size acci; i > > don't work with key sigs so very very rarely ever > > encounter a case where it could be useful. my > > fonts include them (accis + parentheses) but only > > because i know this is standard in classical and > > jazz notation. > > > > sure, there is no system that is failproof but i aim towards it... > > > > > >> However, a parenthesized courtesy accidental is > >> a prime example of a notation saying ³this is > >> not a typo² and a non-parenthesized one is > >> similar. I sometimes put the eyeglasses glyph > >> over a passage that is likely to make musicians > >> look twice, in order to make them look twice and > >> improve the chances that they will perform it > >> correctly (this is jazz notation). I think there > >> are notations that are more authoritarian and > >> less authoritarian. jef, you must deal with > >> degrees of aleatoric-ness all the time, no? > >> > >> Christopher > >> > >> > >>> On Dec 9, 2016, at 7:17 AM, SN jef chippewa > >>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> this issue of apologetic notation is one i come > >>> across often, more commonly in north america but > >>> also in europe. i can't speak for jazz > >>> charts/musicians, but if you are working with > >>> professional musicians, you MUST take it for > >>> granted they know what the hell a bartók pizz is, > >>> or a quarter tone. > >>> > >>> no musician working professionally today and > >>> playing new music can justify ignorance of these > >>> (and a host of other) basic things. > >>> > >>> what happens when the composer notates everything > >>> is that the musician has to read a novel to > >>> discover the one thing that is unique or special > >>> to the composer/notation and given some don't > >>> read the legend anyways (!) you are making it > >>> even more likely your notation explanations won't > >>> get read. at least until after the rehearsals > >>> without the composer present. > >>> > >>> when you overannotate you can also come across as > >>> condescending to musicians who know what the hell > >>> a bartók pizz is. again, if they know it and see > >>> it in your legend, they can easily assume they > >>> don't need to read any further because you have > >>> written a score for newbies or high school bands, > >>> which you should NEVER do. > >>> > >>> if the musicians you are working with are > >>> inexperienced (for whatever reason) provide them > >>> with a glossary of terms as a separate sheet, but > >>> prepare a professional score, with only the > >>> ESSENTIAL information in it. a win-win > >>> situation: whoever needs the supplement can read > >>> it, whoever doesn't can make a paper plane out of > >>> it to throw at the composer during the dress > >>> rehearsal (i know someone this happened to...). > >>> > >>> side note: scans of fingerings from published > >>> texts should NEVER be included in your score, > >>> that is a copyright infringement. this is the > >>> kind of thing that can be sent as a separate > >>> sheet (along with your glossary, for example). > >>> > >>> -- > >>> > >>> neueweise -- fonts for new music (and traditional) notation > >>> http://newmusicnotation.com/fonts.html > >>> > >>> shirling & neueweise | http://newmusicnotation.com > >>> new music notation + arts management + translation > >>> [FB] http://facebook.com/neueweise | [TW] > http://twitter.com/neueweise > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Finale mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > >>> > >>> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > >>> [email protected] > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Finale mailing list > >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > >> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale <https://lists.shsu.edu/ > mailman/listinfo/finale> > >> > >> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > > > > > -- > > > > neueweise -- fonts for new music (and traditional) notation > > http://newmusicnotation.com/fonts.html <http://newmusicnotation.com/ > fonts.html> > > > > shirling & neueweise | http://newmusicnotation.com < > http://newmusicnotation.com/> > > new music notation + arts management + translation > > [FB] http://facebook.com/neueweise <http://facebook.com/neueweise> | > [TW] http://twitter.com/neueweise <http://twitter.com/neueweise> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Finale mailing list > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale <https://lists.shsu.edu/ > mailman/listinfo/finale> > > > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > _______________________________________________ > Finale mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > [email protected] > _______________________________________________ Finale mailing list [email protected] https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: [email protected]
